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On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:18:14 -0400, caver1 wrote:

> Unruh wrote:
>> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Unruh wrote:
>>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... 8<
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant. Having
>>>>>>>>>> downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I
>>>>>>>>>> notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if
>>>>>>>>>> I select use
>>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space. The
>>>>>>>>>> partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>> For use largest free space.
>>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>>> still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions
>>>>>>>>> were created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your
>>>>>>>>> Win partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to
>>>>>>>>> use the whole disk.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a
>>>>>>>> need for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is
>>>>>>>> an addition.
>>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows
>>>>>>> data. (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you
>>>>>>> managed to repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it
>>>>>>> was before, you could recover the data, but that is largely
>>>>>>> irrelevant to almost all users. It is the partitioning that
>>>>>>> destroys the ability to access the data). Thus if there is no
>>>>>>> warning on the repartitioning then that is where the problem lies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions
>>>>>> and then applies the changes.
>>>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts
>>>>>> up the warning about destroying data.
>>>>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made,
>>>>>> I have not checked myself).
>>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users
>>>>>> and in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost)
>>>> impossible to find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing
>>>> needs to be set up to allow installation by users. If the installer
>>>> does not give adequate warning that things are going to be destroyed,
>>>> it is the fault of the installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what
>>>> warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and whether or not they are adequate.
>>>>
>>>>
>> 
>>> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or not, or even if they
>>> are given or not, how can you even comment?
>> 
>> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting on the
>> previous comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the
>> conditional (If) I seems from various comments that it does NOT give
>> adequate warning, and the warning that was posted was certainly well
>> beyond the point at which a warning should have been given. Do you have
>> more information about what the warning actually is?
> 
> 
> Here is a quote as I haven't figured out how to get a screen shot in
> here,
>      "If you continue,the changes listed below
> will be written to the
> disks. Otherwise, you will be able to make further changes manually.
> 
> Warning:  This will destroy all data on any partition you have removed
> as well as on the partitions that are going to be formatted.
> ................................
> Write the changes to disk?"
> 
> caver1

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-- 
Rick