🚀 go-pugleaf

Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:

>On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>8<
>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing
>>>>>>I notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>>>>select use
>>>>>>the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>
>>>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>><<<<<<<<<
>>>>>
>>>>>>For use entire disk
>>>>>
>>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>
>>>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>
>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>For use largest free space.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>>>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win
>>>>> partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use
>>>>> the whole disk.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need for
>>>>more warnings or just a better partitioner but that
>>>>is an addition.
>>>
>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows data.
>>> (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you managed to
>>> repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was before, you
>>> could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant to almost all
>>> users. It is the partitioning that destroys the ability to access the
>>> data). Thus if there is no warning on the repartitioning then that is
>>> where the problem lies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions and
>> then applies the changes.

>No, the user applies the changes.

>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts up
>> the warning about destroying data.
>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
>> have not checked myself).
>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users and
>> in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.

>Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.

Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost) impossible to
find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing needs to be set up
to allow installation by users. If the installer does not give adequate
warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the fault of the
installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and
whether or not they are adequate. 

The user does NOT apply the changes. The user at best agrees to allow the
system to apply those changes. At worst he has no choice, other than the
choice to install.