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Unruh wrote:
> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
> 
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
> 
>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8<
>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>>>>>> Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing
>>>>>>> I notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>>>>> select use
>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>> SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For use largest free space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>>>>>> Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>>>>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win
>>>>>> partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use
>>>>>> the whole disk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need for
>>>>> more warnings or just a better partitioner but that
>>>>> is an addition.
>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows data.
>>>> (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you managed to
>>>> repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was before, you
>>>> could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant to almost all
>>>> users. It is the partitioning that destroys the ability to access the
>>>> data). Thus if there is no warning on the repartitioning then that is
>>>> where the problem lies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions and
>>> then applies the changes.
> 
>> No, the user applies the changes.
> 
>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts up
>>> the warning about destroying data.
>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
>>> have not checked myself).
>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users and
>>> in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
> 
>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
> 
> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost) impossible to
> find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing needs to be set up
> to allow installation by users. If the installer does not give adequate
> warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the fault of the
> installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and
> whether or not they are adequate. 
> 


If you have no idea whether they are adequate or 
not, or even if they are given or not, 	
how can you even comment?
caver1