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Matt Bottrell wrote:
> 
> Well Journos are known for their arrogance and  ability to stretch
> the truth...
> 
> This guy takes the cake however!
> I've never read so much dribble ...
> 
> Take a read of the poorly researched article at:
> 
> http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/97/04/20/stiinnsnd01001.html?1720768
> 

It is actually quite funny.  I'm even thinking about a logo:
"Powered by Linux: the PC program from Hell".

In case anyone wants to send a flame mail to the author, 
find the article by Bruce Perens in cola archive 
(http://www.iki.fi/liw/linux/cola.html) and read it first.
-- 
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For those who couldn't find the article (it's in the April 1997 area)
he requests people NOT to flame the author, as the guy is an idiot and
when in a fight with an idiot, it's sometimes difficult for others to
tell who the idiot is.

Check...

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~wirzeniu/linux/cola.archive/1997-04/cola.1997-04-23..000

	for the article..

Ciao
Andrew

Dimitri Maziuk <dima@eris.dev.null> wrote:
>In case anyone wants to send a flame mail to the author, 
>find the article by Bruce Perens in cola archive 
>(http://www.iki.fi/liw/linux/cola.html) and read it first.

Dimitri Maziuk <dima@eris.dev.null> writes:

>It is actually quite funny.  I'm even thinking about a logo:
>"Powered by Linux: the PC program from Hell".

I wonder how many people it will *attract*. The sort of people
who like linux are probably the ones who'd see it as a challenge!

>In case anyone wants to send a flame mail to the author, 
>find the article by Bruce Perens in cola archive 
>(http://www.iki.fi/liw/linux/cola.html) and read it first.

By now it is probably waaay too late. 

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A Shelton wrote:
> 
> Dimitri Maziuk <dima@eris.dev.null> writes:
> 
> >It is actually quite funny.  I'm even thinking about a logo:
> >"Powered by Linux: the PC program from Hell".
> 
> I wonder how many people it will *attract*. The sort of people
> who like linux are probably the ones who'd see it as a challenge!
> 
> >In case anyone wants to send a flame mail to the author,
> >find the article by Bruce Perens in cola archive
> >(http://www.iki.fi/liw/linux/cola.html) and read it first.
> 
> By now it is probably waaay too late.

Besides which..isn't the guy entitlted to his opinion ?

He may well be gravely wrong (which he is...) and completely idiotic
(probably...) but he's surely entitled to express it.

I think I read somewhere that right-of-reply has been granted and
someone will be writing an answer anyhow..

Don't think I'd like to live in a world where idiots were banned...
(I might be one too, for one thing :-) ....)

I mean life without <ASBESTOS UNDIES> Pauline Hanson</ASBESTOS UNDIES>
or Amanda Vanstone would be pretty boring...easy maybe, but boring...

Just my $0.02 !


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On Thu, 01 May 1997 01:45:02 +1000, Andrew Mather <@woody.agic.gov.au> wrote:

>Besides which..isn't the guy entitlted to his opinion ?

Sure, we're all entitled to our opinion.  But most of us don't get our
opinion published in a million-circulation newspaper.  Some responsibility
to do a little research goes along with that.  Unfortunately, research is
not a fashionable idea among either journalists or their editors these
days. 

Dave Cook

This guy is a perfect example of those who are afraid of the command line
interface, and those who worship Bill Gates, I run both linux and MSDOS
6.2 & Win3.11, I will never install Win95 simply because it is poorly
documented and it's painfull to use. I really good tagline I once saw
comes to mind: MicroSoft, 10 years of the 640K limit.
Something to that affect.

Drew.

On 29 Apr 1997, Matt Bottrell wrote:

> 
> Well Journos are known for their arrogance and  ability to stretch
> the truth...
> 
> This guy takes the cake however!
> I've never read so much dribble ...
> 
> Take a read of the poorly researched article at:
> 
> http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/97/04/20/stiinnsnd01001.html?1720768
> 
> My guess is he was such a dumb ass he couldn't read the instructions during 
> installation.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matt.
> (An avid Linux fan!)
> 
> 
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> 
> 

In article <slrn5mgmjg.8u1.dmcook@mozart.cts.com>, dmcook@cts.com says...
>>Besides which..isn't the guy entitlted to his opinion ?
>
>Sure, (...) Unfortunately, research is not a fashionable idea among either 
>journalists or their editors these days.
This seems to be true of the whole tribe (homo scripticus) where ever they are 
found.  No matter the nation; language, culture or era -- they seem to be 
rather irresponsible and quite prone to broadcast their own expertise.
>
>Dave Cook

Consider the source. The very next week that guy was wineing about cables
connected to his computer. The cry baby could not keep from get tangled in
the cables connecting his computer, and had so drastic solutions. 

Look the guy has a right to his option, and the people that read, and
listen to his trash should have not business with Linux. Linux takes brains
and common sence to install and run. Let em go to to Bill. Bill will help
em out. Windows 2099 Who cares.....

David M. Cook <dmcook@cts.com> wrote in article
<slrn5mgmjg.8u1.dmcook@mozart.cts.com>...
> On Thu, 01 May 1997 01:45:02 +1000, Andrew Mather <@woody.agic.gov.au>
wrote:
> 
> >Besides which..isn't the guy entitlted to his opinion ?
> 
> Sure, we're all entitled to our opinion.  But most of us don't get our
> opinion published in a million-circulation newspaper.  Some
responsibility
> to do a little research goes along with that.  Unfortunately, research is
> not a fashionable idea among either journalists or their editors these
> days. 
> 
> Dave Cook
> 

In article <01bc582f$e105eb60$3d9f9bcc@rickmci>, "Rick McIntosh"
<rickmci@dfw.net_NOSPAM> wrote:

> Consider the source. The very next week that guy was wineing about cables
> connected to his computer. The cry baby could not keep from get tangled in
> the cables connecting his computer, and had so drastic solutions. 
> 
> Look the guy has a right to his option, and the people that read, and
> listen to his trash should have not business with Linux. Linux takes brains
> and common sence to install and run. Let em go to to Bill. Bill will help
> em out. Windows 2099 Who cares.....

The point is, flaming this guy is unproductive.  As the guy who compiled
the linux-in-the-media FAQ said, the best way is not to engage journalists
directly, but to emphasize positive aspects of linux, such as the linux
space shuttle story.  Also, bear in mind that linux is still not quite
ready for naive users, so this kind of reaction can be expected
occasionally.

--
Jason Stokes: j.stokes @ bohm.anu.edu.au

>Look the guy has a right to his option, and the people that read, and
>listen to his trash should have not business with Linux. Linux takes
>brains and common sence to install and run. Let em go to to Bill. Bill
>will help em out. Windows 2099 Who cares.....

"go to Bill..."  - I like that :)