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rasmos@usa.net wrote:
> 
> John Summerfield wrote:
> >
> > In <5fcrh0$s3p@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, sales@os2store.com@os2store.com writes:
> > ]J3 Computer Technologies is presently taking pre-orders for OS/2 Warp
> > ]Unleashed, 4th Edition; Price - $39.00. See our site for more details
> > ]    http://www.os2store.com
> >
> > ]Brief description:
> > ]---------------
> > ]OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Edition expands on the material that received so much
> > ]praise in previous editions. Additional material meets or exceeds this
> > ]standard with coverage for the new features of OS/2 Warp v4 in Networking,
> > ]Internet, Speech Recognition, Multimedia, Device Support, Enhanced user
> > ]interface and much more.
> >
> > Interesting
> >
> > Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
> >     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
> >
> 
> Interesting, indeed.  As one of the lead authors of OS/2 Warp 4
> Unleashed I was not aware that you were involved in the project.
> Since everything contributed to the book would have to go through
> me before it makes it into the book...
> 
> Something is very defintely _*interesting*_!!!.
> 
> Also, since I'm still working on manuscript...  it gets MORE
> interesting.
> 
> David Moskowitz, featured author, OS/2 Warp 4 Unleashed.

Dave, keep working on it.
I Will be buying a copy.

rasmos@usa.net wrote:
> 
> John Summerfield wrote:
> >
> > In <5fcrh0$s3p@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, sales@os2store.com@os2store.com writes:
> > ]J3 Computer Technologies is presently taking pre-orders for OS/2 Warp
> > ]Unleashed, 4th Edition; Price - $39.00. See our site for more details
> > ]    http://www.os2store.com
> >
> > ]Brief description:
> > ]---------------
> > ]OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Edition expands on the material that received so much
> > ]praise in previous editions. Additional material meets or exceeds this
> > ]standard with coverage for the new features of OS/2 Warp v4 in Networking,
> > ]Internet, Speech Recognition, Multimedia, Device Support, Enhanced user
> > ]interface and much more.
> >
> > Interesting
> >
> > Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
> >     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
> >
> 
> Interesting, indeed.  As one of the lead authors of OS/2 Warp 4
> Unleashed I was not aware that you were involved in the project.
> Since everything contributed to the book would have to go through
> me before it makes it into the book...
> 
> Something is very defintely _*interesting*_!!!.
> 
> Also, since I'm still working on manuscript...  it gets MORE
> interesting.
> 
> David Moskowitz, featured author, OS/2 Warp 4 Unleashed.

Dave, keep working on it.
I Will be buying a copy.

RokNroB wrote:
> 
> In message <3320F20F.3C01@usa.net> - rasmos@usa.netFri, 07 Mar 1997 23:58:55
> -0500 writes:
> :>
> :>John Summerfield wrote:
> :>>
> :>> In <5fcrh0$s3p@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, sales@os2store.com@os2store.com writes:
> :>> ]J3 Computer Technologies is presently taking pre-orders for OS/2 Warp
> :>> ]Unleashed, 4th Edition; Price - $39.00. See our site for more details
> :>> ]    http://www.os2store.com
> :>>
> :>> ]Brief description:
> :>> ]---------------
> :>> ]OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Edition expands on the material that received so much
> :>> ]praise in previous editions. Additional material meets or exceeds this
> :>> ]standard with coverage for the new features of OS/2 Warp v4 in Networking,
> :>> ]Internet, Speech Recognition, Multimedia, Device Support, Enhanced user
> :>> ]interface and much more.
> :>>
> :>> Interesting
> :>>
> :>> Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
> :>>     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
> :>>
> :>
> :>Interesting, indeed.  As one of the lead authors of OS/2 Warp 4
> :>Unleashed I was not aware that you were involved in the project.
> :>Since everything contributed to the book would have to go through
> :>me before it makes it into the book...
> :>
> :>Something is very defintely _*interesting*_!!!.
> :>
> :>Also, since I'm still working on manuscript...  it gets MORE
> :>interesting.
> :>
> :>David Moskowitz, featured author, OS/2 Warp 4 Unleashed.
> 
> I'm waiting for the book too!  My 20 month old son dumped my Inside OS/2 Warp
> 3
> into the toilet!
> 
> RokNroB ->"Yeap, I said it."  HTTP://WWW.FLASH.NET/~roknrob
> The opinions expressed above are of my own free thought and should not
> be considered to represent the views of my employer, Internet Service
> Provider or other interested parties.

This may have been a Microsoft plot!   <G>

RokNroB wrote:
> 
> In message <3320F20F.3C01@usa.net> - rasmos@usa.netFri, 07 Mar 1997 23:58:55
> -0500 writes:
> :>
> :>John Summerfield wrote:
> :>>
> :>> In <5fcrh0$s3p@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, sales@os2store.com@os2store.com writes:
> :>> ]J3 Computer Technologies is presently taking pre-orders for OS/2 Warp
> :>> ]Unleashed, 4th Edition; Price - $39.00. See our site for more details
> :>> ]    http://www.os2store.com
> :>>
> :>> ]Brief description:
> :>> ]---------------
> :>> ]OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Edition expands on the material that received so much
> :>> ]praise in previous editions. Additional material meets or exceeds this
> :>> ]standard with coverage for the new features of OS/2 Warp v4 in Networking,
> :>> ]Internet, Speech Recognition, Multimedia, Device Support, Enhanced user
> :>> ]interface and much more.
> :>>
> :>> Interesting
> :>>
> :>> Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
> :>>     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
> :>>
> :>
> :>Interesting, indeed.  As one of the lead authors of OS/2 Warp 4
> :>Unleashed I was not aware that you were involved in the project.
> :>Since everything contributed to the book would have to go through
> :>me before it makes it into the book...
> :>
> :>Something is very defintely _*interesting*_!!!.
> :>
> :>Also, since I'm still working on manuscript...  it gets MORE
> :>interesting.
> :>
> :>David Moskowitz, featured author, OS/2 Warp 4 Unleashed.
> 
> I'm waiting for the book too!  My 20 month old son dumped my Inside OS/2 Warp
> 3
> into the toilet!
> 
> RokNroB ->"Yeap, I said it."  HTTP://WWW.FLASH.NET/~roknrob
> The opinions expressed above are of my own free thought and should not
> be considered to represent the views of my employer, Internet Service
> Provider or other interested parties.

This may have been a Microsoft plot!   <G>

In <331F3B87.4CAB@ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Shultz <jbshutlz@ix.netcom.com> writes:
]John Summerfield wrote:

]> Interesting

]> Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
]>     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.

] David will be most interested to hear that. AFAIK, he's still writing.
]I believe they dropped the "Companion" edition, but the normal Unleashed
]is going ahead. 

I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
     Hi John,
     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has 
     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems 
     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as 
     well as the first edition. 
     
<snip>     

     Cari


This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com


Cheers
John Summerfield
Warped & Connected
Perth, Western Australia
OS2 support @ http://www.iinet.net.au/~summer/
Unsolicited sales messages cost you $US1000

I>:>
>:>Interesting, indeed.  As one of the lead authors of OS/2 Warp 4 
>:>Unleashed I was not aware that you were involved in the project.
>:>Since everything contributed to the book would have to go through
>:>me before it makes it into the book...
>:>
>:>Something is very defintely _*interesting*_!!!.
>:>
>:>Also, since I'm still working on manuscript...  it gets MORE
>:>interesting.
>:>
>:>David Moskowitz, featured author, OS/2 Warp 4 Unleashed.
>
>I'm waiting for the book too!  My 20 month old son dumped my Inside OS/2 Warp
>3
>into the toilet!
========================================================================
I didn't buy the book (Inside...), but...was it THAT BAD??!!?!??!  :------------)

//C		


========================================================================
>
>RokNroB ->"Yeap, I said it."  HTTP://WWW.FLASH.NET/~roknrob
>The opinions expressed above are of my own free thought and should not
>be considered to represent the views of my employer, Internet Service
>Provider or other interested parties.
>

rasmos@usa.net wrote:
> 
> John Summerfield wrote:
> >
> > In <5fcrh0$s3p@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, sales@os2store.com@os2store.com writes:
> > ]J3 Computer Technologies is presently taking pre-orders for OS/2 Warp
> > ]Unleashed, 4th Edition; Price - $39.00. See our site for more details
> > ]    http://www.os2store.com
> >
> > ]Brief description:
> > ]---------------
> > ]OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Edition expands on the material that received so much
> > ]praise in previous editions. Additional material meets or exceeds this
> > ]standard with coverage for the new features of OS/2 Warp v4 in Networking,
> > ]Internet, Speech Recognition, Multimedia, Device Support, Enhanced user
> > ]interface and much more.
> >
> > Interesting
> >
> > Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
> >     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
> >
> 
> Interesting, indeed.  As one of the lead authors of OS/2 Warp 4
> Unleashed I was not aware that you were involved in the project.
> Since everything contributed to the book would have to go through
> me before it makes it into the book...
> 
> Something is very defintely _*interesting*_!!!.
> 
> Also, since I'm still working on manuscript...  it gets MORE
> interesting.
> 
> David Moskowitz, featured author, OS/2 Warp 4 Unleashed.

Certainly hope you get it finished and published.  I make weekly trips
to Borders looking for either it or something else good written
specifically for Warp 4.

Jim

rasmos@usa.net wrote:
> 
> John Summerfield wrote:
> >
> > In <5fcrh0$s3p@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, sales@os2store.com@os2store.com writes:
> > ]J3 Computer Technologies is presently taking pre-orders for OS/2 Warp
> > ]Unleashed, 4th Edition; Price - $39.00. See our site for more details
> > ]    http://www.os2store.com
> >
> > ]Brief description:
> > ]---------------
> > ]OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Edition expands on the material that received so much
> > ]praise in previous editions. Additional material meets or exceeds this
> > ]standard with coverage for the new features of OS/2 Warp v4 in Networking,
> > ]Internet, Speech Recognition, Multimedia, Device Support, Enhanced user
> > ]interface and much more.
> >
> > Interesting
> >
> > Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
> >     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
> >
> 
> Interesting, indeed.  As one of the lead authors of OS/2 Warp 4
> Unleashed I was not aware that you were involved in the project.
> Since everything contributed to the book would have to go through
> me before it makes it into the book...
> 
> Something is very defintely _*interesting*_!!!.
> 
> Also, since I'm still working on manuscript...  it gets MORE
> interesting.
> 
> David Moskowitz, featured author, OS/2 Warp 4 Unleashed.

Certainly hope you get it finished and published.  I make weekly trips
to Borders looking for either it or something else good written
specifically for Warp 4.

Jim

In message <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network> -
summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield)Sun, 09 Mar 1997 00:47:40 GMT
writes:
:>
:>In <331F3B87.4CAB@ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Shultz <jbshutlz@ix.netcom.com> writes:
:>]John Summerfield wrote:
:>
:>]> Interesting
:>
:>]> Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
:>]>     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
:>
:>] David will be most interested to hear that. AFAIK, he's still writing.
:>]I believe they dropped the "Companion" edition, but the normal Unleashed
:>]is going ahead. 
:>
:>I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
:>     Hi John,
:>     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has 
:>     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems 
:>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as 
:>     well as the first edition. 
:>     
:><snip>     
:>
:>     Cari
:>
:>
:>This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com
:>
:>
:>Cheers
:>John Summerfield
:>Warped & Connected
:>Perth, Western Australia
:>OS2 support @ http://www.iinet.net.au/~summer/
:>Unsolicited sales messages cost you $US1000
:>

Ya know, it is possible that 2 different animals are being discussed here.
 Was there ever a "followup" to the V3 vintage Warp unleashed planned?? I
mean one that was "different" than the V4 vintage Warp Unleashed??
The thing is,, I have no reason to "disbelieve" anyone who has posted in
this thread. All parties involved have certain "credentials" that make
them generally reliable sources, so, I am thinking there is a "book
version mismatch" going on here. What's the chances of that?

Chris J. Alumbaugh
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imwechs@ibm.net wrote:
>In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield) writes:

[Snip.  I assume you can all backtrack through this thread
to see what he and others wrote.]

>  Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
>reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
>on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
>in the wall!!!   Get lost.

If you don't know him from a hole in the wall, you haven't
been following the OS/2 newsgroups for very long.  I'd say
that John Summerfield has established a reputation for
being someone who knows what he's talking about.

Certainly we have a contradiction here, and it's a bit of
a mystery how it happened.  But I don't think David and
John are calling each other liars.  There's no need for
this sort of over-reaction.

--
Peter Moylan                           peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
       http://www.ee.newcastle.edu.au/users/staff/peter/Moylan.html
OS/2 tuning tips at
  http://www.ee.newcastle.edu.au/users/staff/peter/os2/tuning.html

In article <5g02f2$21i6$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, imwechs@ibm.net wrote:
>In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield) writes:
>>In <331F3B87.4CAB@ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Shultz <jbshutlz@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>>]John Summerfield wrote:
>>
>>]> Interesting
>>
>>]> Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
>>]>     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
>>
>>] David will be most interested to hear that. AFAIK, he's still writing.
>>]I believe they dropped the "Companion" edition, but the normal Unleashed
>>]is going ahead.
>>
>>I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
>>     Hi John,
>>     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has
>>     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems
>>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as
>>     well as the first edition.
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>     Cari
>>
>>
>>This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com
>>
>>
>>Cheers
>>John Summerfield
>>Warped & Connected
>>Perth, Western Australia
>>OS2 support @ http://www.iinet.net.au/~summer/
>>Unsolicited sales messages cost you $US1000
>>
>  Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
>reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
>on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
>in the wall!!!   Get lost.

Sorry, I just can't let this message go without a comment.

I've been following this group for quite some time, and have NEVER
know John Summerfield to post FUD. He is one of the more informed and
helpful posters, here, and to make a comment like the above is totally
uncalled for.

Apparantley, there are conflicting messages from the Author and the
Publisher. (BTW, I've never known Mr. Moskowitz to post FUD either).

It serves no one to speculate on what is going on, at this point. And
it CERTAINLY serves no useful purpose to lash out at someone who, by
your own admission, you "don't know from a hole in the wall". The last time
someone took it upon himself to lash out at an OS/2 user who was just
trying to be helpful, we all almost lost the "Must Have" site.

And Esther Schindler doesn't "hang out" here as often as she used to
because of some IDIOT who didn't care for the fact that she was
affiliated with the media.

If we drive out all the users who are willing to help those in need,
the groups will become totally unuseful, and you'll all have to call
IBM Tech Support to get your answers. (Perish the thought).
And besides, I've seen "Crocodile Dundee" and I wouldn't want to piss
off an Aussie <g>.

I support John Summerfield for all the help he has given us, and I
support David Moskowitz for all the WONDERFUL information in the
"Unleashed" books (as well as all the device driver development he has
been involved in). I would hope that the letter that John recieved was
in error. But I'm certainly not going to fault him for posting it for
all of us to read.

<rant-mode off....sorry>
--

        Dan Casey           Doesn't "Microsoft"
        Team OS/2           Mean "Small & Limp"?
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imwechs@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> >
>   Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
> reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
> on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
> in the wall!!!   Get lost.

 Ira, it's nice to see that your skill in dealing with people extends
out here from CompuServe.

-- 
Jeff Shultz <OS/2 Advisor>
jbshultz@ix.netcom.com
http://www.netcom.com/~jbshultz

Here in comp.os.os2.marketplace, imwechs@ibm.net spake unto us, saying:

>In <ZE8IzoHpvmLQ092yn@skypoint.com>, rsteiner@skypoint.com
>(Richard Steiner) writes:
>
>>SAMS is indeed the publisher, and it's possible that miscommunication
>>is occurring here, but why automatically assume that the e-mail which
>>John posted above is not authentic or is otherwise incorrect?
>>
>>I don't think we have enough hard information to substantiate EITHER
>>conclusion.  It may come out (and I certainly hope it does!) or not.
>
>This is not law school nor philosophy 101. David Moskowitz is among the
>most respected writers and consultants in the os/2 market sector.

He's well known offline and I respect his writing (OS/2 Unleashed and
Warp Unleashed are the two best OS/2 books I've ever purchased), but I
have to admit that I don't know the posting that was made here in his
name from a hole in the wall.  His e-mail address and his writing style
don't grace this part of Usenet all that often (which is unfortunate,
IMhO), and I doubt he possesses omnipotence about SAMS either.  :-)

For that matter, I don't think I know you (though I've seen your rather
ascerbic responses from time to time on c.o.o.*), tho I think the name
"Ira Wechsler" rings a bell from the BBS nets (RIME or Fido or ILink or
somewhere) maybe 4-5 years ago.  Would that be you?

Do you normally go around slamming respected people you don't know?

>If he says the project is alive and well, that is the case.

Sure, but that fact (by itself) doesn't necessarily imply that SAMS will
be publishing the end results of the project.

I assume there's no reason for the status quo to change, but that is a
pure assumption on my part, not factually based.  He (and we) will find
out in due time (since he's gone and checked himself, apparently).

John is a very good source of information, as you would realize if you
spent much time in the c.o.o.* hierarchy, and I take exception to your
behavior here.  I certainly realize everyone has the right to be an
asshole if they wish, particularly on Usenet where it seems to be a
goal for some, but IMSNShO there are *far* more deserving targets.  :-)

>Perhaps you would rather spend time counting angels on a pin head.

No, actually I'd rather see a clear solution to the problem here rather
than simply tossing ill-considered flames out at everyone around.  

-- 
-Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@skypoint.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
      Written offline using PC Yarn + Yep + FTE under OS/2 Warp 4
       Ignorance is temporary. Stupidity(rudeness?) is forever.

In message <5g02f2$21i6$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> - imwechs@ibm.net writes:
>
>In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield) writes:
>>In <331F3B87.4CAB@ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Shultz <jbshutlz@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>>]John Summerfield wrote:
>>
>>]> Interesting
>>
>>]> Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
>>]>     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
>>
>>] David will be most interested to hear that. AFAIK, he's still writing.
>>]I believe they dropped the "Companion" edition, but the normal Unleashed
>>]is going ahead. 
>>
>>I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
>>     Hi John,
>>     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has 
>>     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems 
>>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as 
>>     well as the first edition. 
>>     
>><snip>     
>>
>>     Cari
>>
>>
>>This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com
>>
>>
>>Cheers
>>John Summerfield
>>Warped & Connected
>>Perth, Western Australia
>>OS2 support @ http://www.iinet.net.au/~summer/
>>Unsolicited sales messages cost you $US1000
>>
>  Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
>reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
>on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
>in the wall!!!   Get lost.

What kind of crap is this?  John doesn't deserve that type of childish post
simply because he has some info which is different from David's.  John's had a
lot of useful posts in these newsgroups and I would hate to see him "get
lost."  There are just too few useful presences in comp.o.o.* these days to
take this type of attitude.  Relax a bit and try to realize that a company as
large as SAMS publishing may have one unit spouting one line, while another
unit spouts an opposite line, not to mention the probability that they may
have changed positions over time.  Your overly simplistic either-or scenario
just doesn't wash.  I myself hope the book gets published.  It was invaluable
to me in dealing with Warp 3.  

- Scott

------------------------------------------------------------
Scott R. Eliason	scott-eliason@uiowa.edu
University of Iowa	http://www.avalon.net/~seliason

John Summerfield wrote:
> 
> In <331F3B87.4CAB@ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Shultz <jbshutlz@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> ]John Summerfield wrote:
> 
> ]> Interesting
> 
> ]> Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
> ]>     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
> 
> ] David will be most interested to hear that. AFAIK, he's still writing.
> ]I believe they dropped the "Companion" edition, but the normal Unleashed
> ]is going ahead.
> 
> I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
>      Hi John,
>      Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has
>      decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems
>      with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as
>      well as the first edition.
> 
> <snip>
> 
>      Cari
> 
> This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com

Intersting that they told you and didn't tell us.  Also, our contact at
SAMS was someone else (the acqusitions editor).  

Rather than debate this, here.  I've put in a call to them, directly, to
get the "word."

David Moskowitz

Brian Dorling wrote:
> 
> rasmos@usa.net wrote:
> >
> > John Summerfield wrote:
> > >
> > > In <5fcrh0$s3p@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, sales@os2store.com@os2store.com writes:
> > > ]J3 Computer Technologies is presently taking pre-orders for OS/2 Warp
> > > ]Unleashed, 4th Edition; Price - $39.00. See our site for more details
> > > ]    http://www.os2store.com
> > >
> > > ]Brief description:
> > > ]---------------
> > > ]OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Edition expands on the material that received so much
> > > ]praise in previous editions. Additional material meets or exceeds this
> > > ]standard with coverage for the new features of OS/2 Warp v4 in Networking,
> > > ]Internet, Speech Recognition, Multimedia, Device Support, Enhanced user
> > > ]interface and much more.
> > >
> > > Interesting
> > >
> > > Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
> > >     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
> > >
> >
> > Interesting, indeed.  As one of the lead authors of OS/2 Warp 4
> > Unleashed I was not aware that you were involved in the project.
> > Since everything contributed to the book would have to go through
> > me before it makes it into the book...
> >
> > Something is very defintely _*interesting*_!!!.
> >
> > Also, since I'm still working on manuscript...  it gets MORE
> > interesting.
> >
> > David Moskowitz, featured author, OS/2 Warp 4 Unleashed.
> 
> Dave, keep working on it.
> I Will be buying a copy.

Thank you for the vote of confidence! <smile>!

David Moskowitz

Brian Dorling wrote:
> 
> rasmos@usa.net wrote:
> >
> > John Summerfield wrote:
> > >
> > > In <5fcrh0$s3p@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, sales@os2store.com@os2store.com writes:
> > > ]J3 Computer Technologies is presently taking pre-orders for OS/2 Warp
> > > ]Unleashed, 4th Edition; Price - $39.00. See our site for more details
> > > ]    http://www.os2store.com
> > >
> > > ]Brief description:
> > > ]---------------
> > > ]OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Edition expands on the material that received so much
> > > ]praise in previous editions. Additional material meets or exceeds this
> > > ]standard with coverage for the new features of OS/2 Warp v4 in Networking,
> > > ]Internet, Speech Recognition, Multimedia, Device Support, Enhanced user
> > > ]interface and much more.
> > >
> > > Interesting
> > >
> > > Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
> > >     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
> > >
> >
> > Interesting, indeed.  As one of the lead authors of OS/2 Warp 4
> > Unleashed I was not aware that you were involved in the project.
> > Since everything contributed to the book would have to go through
> > me before it makes it into the book...
> >
> > Something is very defintely _*interesting*_!!!.
> >
> > Also, since I'm still working on manuscript...  it gets MORE
> > interesting.
> >
> > David Moskowitz, featured author, OS/2 Warp 4 Unleashed.
> 
> Dave, keep working on it.
> I Will be buying a copy.

Thank you for the vote of confidence! <smile>!

David Moskowitz

In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield) writes:
>In <331F3B87.4CAB@ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Shultz <jbshutlz@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>]John Summerfield wrote:
>
>]> Interesting
>
>]> Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
>]>     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
>
>] David will be most interested to hear that. AFAIK, he's still writing.
>]I believe they dropped the "Companion" edition, but the normal Unleashed
>]is going ahead. 
>
>I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
>     Hi John,
>     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has 
>     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems 
>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as 
>     well as the first edition. 
>     
><snip>     
>
>     Cari
>
>
>This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com
>
>
>Cheers
>John Summerfield
>Warped & Connected
>Perth, Western Australia
>OS2 support @ http://www.iinet.net.au/~summer/
>Unsolicited sales messages cost you $US1000
>
  Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
in the wall!!!   Get lost.

In message <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network> - summer@iinet.net.au
(John Summerfield)Sun, 09 Mar 1997 00:47:40 GMT writes:
:>
:>In <331F3B87.4CAB@ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Shultz <jbshutlz@ix.netcom.com> writes:
:>]John Summerfield wrote:
:>
:>]> Interesting
:>
:>]> Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
:>]>     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
:>
:>] David will be most interested to hear that. AFAIK, he's still writing.
:>]I believe they dropped the "Companion" edition, but the normal Unleashed
:>]is going ahead. 
:>
:>I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
:>     Hi John,
:>     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has 
:>     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems 
:>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as 
:>     well as the first edition. 
:>     
:><snip>     
:>
:>     Cari
:>
:>
:>This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com
:>

Um, the 2nd edition??

I bought the 3rd edition in 1995.  Is this a case really slow snail mail or
what?  :)

Have you got something that reference's the 4th edition??

Also, is this 'letter' an actual letter thru the actual mail on actual paper
with a real and verifiable letterhead and signature or just an email that
could be from anyone??

Richard B Person
richbp@ix.netcom.com

Here in comp.os.os2.marketplace, imwechs@ibm.net spake unto us, saying:

>In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au
>(John Summerfield) writes:
>
>>     Hi John,
>>     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has 
>>     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems 
>>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as 
>>     well as the first edition. 
>><snip>     
>>     Cari
>>
>>This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com
>
>Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
>reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
>on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
>in the wall!!!   Get lost.

SAMS is indeed the publisher, and it's possible that miscommunication
is occurring here, but why automatically assume that the e-mail which
John posted above is not authentic or is otherwise incorrect?

I don't think we have enough hard information to substantiate EITHER
conclusion.  It may come out (and I certainly hope it does!) or not.

-- 
-Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@skypoint.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
      Written offline using PC Yarn + Yep + FTE under OS/2 Warp 4
            Fact: 3 out of 5 people aren't the other 2...

In message <5g02f2$21i6$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> - imwechs@ibm.net writes:
:>
:>In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield) writes:
:>>In <331F3B87.4CAB@ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Shultz <jbshutlz@ix.netcom.com> writes:
:>>]John Summerfield wrote:

	>>>snip>>

:>> decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems 
:>>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as 
:>>     well as the first edition. 
:>>     
:>><snip>     
:>>
:>>     Cari
:>>
:>>
:>>This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com
:>>
:>>


Author-submission rejection letters take many forms. I have several
examples right here .  .  . 

Vacuo


reply to: wwd@netheaven.com.remove.this.to.reply

In <ZE8IzoHpvmLQ092yn@skypoint.com>, rsteiner@skypoint.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
>Here in comp.os.os2.marketplace, imwechs@ibm.net spake unto us, saying:
>
>>In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au
>>(John Summerfield) writes:
>>
>>>     Hi John,
>>>     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has 
>>>     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems 
>>>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as 
>>>     well as the first edition. 
>>><snip>     
>>>     Cari
>>>
>>>This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com
>>
>>Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
>>reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
>>on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
>>in the wall!!!   Get lost.
>
>SAMS is indeed the publisher, and it's possible that miscommunication
>is occurring here, but why automatically assume that the e-mail which
>John posted above is not authentic or is otherwise incorrect?
>
>I don't think we have enough hard information to substantiate EITHER
>conclusion.  It may come out (and I certainly hope it does!) or not.
>
>-- 
>-Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@skypoint.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>      Written offline using PC Yarn + Yep + FTE under OS/2 Warp 4
>            Fact: 3 out of 5 people aren't the other 2...
  This is not law school nor philosophy 101. David Moskowitz is among the most
 respected writers and consultants in the os/2 market sector. If he says the
 project is alive and well, that is the case. Perhaps you would rather spend time
counting angels on a pin head.

Andrew B. Lundgren wrote:
> 
> John Summerfield (summer@iinet.net.au) wrote:
> 
> : I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
> :      Hi John,
> :      Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has
> :      decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems
> :      with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as
> :      well as the first edition.
> :
> 
> Interesting, did you notice which edition of the book this email that you
> quoted is about?  The second?   (I assume you cut and pasted this as
> no one today would actually retype letters rather then reuse them. :)
> The add is not for the second edition, It is for the FOURTH!  Maybe
> you got a cancelation notice for OS/2 2.0 Unleashed....
> 
> Was the Third edition Os/2 Warp Unleashed???
> 
> --
> 
> Andrew Lundgren
> alundgre@redwood.dn.hac.com
> http://www.dvnexus.net/lundgren

Super bummer, I pre-ordered the book with J3.  I just got an e-mail
telling me that the publisher has decided that they will not be
publishing it.

Gilbert
--

Andrew B. Lundgren wrote:
> 
> John Summerfield (summer@iinet.net.au) wrote:
> 
> : I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
> :      Hi John,
> :      Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has
> :      decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems
> :      with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as
> :      well as the first edition.
> :
> 
> Interesting, did you notice which edition of the book this email that you
> quoted is about?  The second?   (I assume you cut and pasted this as
> no one today would actually retype letters rather then reuse them. :)
> The add is not for the second edition, It is for the FOURTH!  Maybe
> you got a cancelation notice for OS/2 2.0 Unleashed....
> 
> Was the Third edition Os/2 Warp Unleashed???
> 
> --
> 
> Andrew Lundgren
> alundgre@redwood.dn.hac.com
> http://www.dvnexus.net/lundgren

Mine says OS/2 Warp Unleashed, Deluxe Edition but inside on
the copyright page it says third edition.

In <sCLJzAe+G5II090yn@ibm.net>, !dcasey!@ibm.net (Dan Casey) writes:
>In article <5g02f2$21i6$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, imwechs@ibm.net wrote:
>>In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield) writes:
>>>In <331F3B87.4CAB@ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Shultz <jbshutlz@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>>>]John Summerfield wrote:
>>>
>>>]> Interesting
>>>
>>>]> Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
>>>]>     was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.
>>>
>>>] David will be most interested to hear that. AFAIK, he's still writing.
>>>]I believe they dropped the "Companion" edition, but the normal Unleashed
>>>]is going ahead.
>>>
>>>I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
>>>     Hi John,
>>>     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has
>>>     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems
>>>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as
>>>     well as the first edition.
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>     Cari
>>>
>>>
>>>This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>John Summerfield
>>>Warped & Connected
>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>OS2 support @ http://www.iinet.net.au/~summer/
>>>Unsolicited sales messages cost you $US1000
>>>
>>  Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
>>reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
>>on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
>>in the wall!!!   Get lost.
>
>Sorry, I just can't let this message go without a comment.
>
>I've been following this group for quite some time, and have NEVER
>know John Summerfield to post FUD. He is one of the more informed and
>helpful posters, here, and to make a comment like the above is totally
>uncalled for.
>
>Apparantley, there are conflicting messages from the Author and the
>Publisher. (BTW, I've never known Mr. Moskowitz to post FUD either).
>
>It serves no one to speculate on what is going on, at this point. And
>it CERTAINLY serves no useful purpose to lash out at someone who, by
>your own admission, you "don't know from a hole in the wall". The last time
>someone took it upon himself to lash out at an OS/2 user who was just
>trying to be helpful, we all almost lost the "Must Have" site.
>
>And Esther Schindler doesn't "hang out" here as often as she used to
>because of some IDIOT who didn't care for the fact that she was
>affiliated with the media.
>
>If we drive out all the users who are willing to help those in need,
>the groups will become totally unuseful, and you'll all have to call
>IBM Tech Support to get your answers. (Perish the thought).
>And besides, I've seen "Crocodile Dundee" and I wouldn't want to piss
>off an Aussie <g>.
>
>I support John Summerfield for all the help he has given us, and I
>support David Moskowitz for all the WONDERFUL information in the
>"Unleashed" books (as well as all the device driver development he has
>been involved in). I would hope that the letter that John recieved was
>in error. But I'm certainly not going to fault him for posting it for
>all of us to read.
>
><rant-mode off....sorry>
>--
>
>        Dan Casey           Doesn't "Microsoft"
>        Team OS/2           Mean "Small & Limp"?
>       ******************************************
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>
 I apologize to Mr. Summerfield and the other users here for my obvious overreaction to Mr. Summerfield's
post. I do still feel that Mr. Moskowitz being the main contributor and being local
here is more apt to have the most accurate information. My rudeness was uncalled
for in any case.

Here in comp.os.os2.marketplace, imwechs@ibm.net spake unto us, saying:

>In <ZE8IzoHpvmLQ092yn@skypoint.com>, rsteiner@skypoint.com
>(Richard Steiner) writes:
>
>>SAMS is indeed the publisher, and it's possible that miscommunication
>>is occurring here, but why automatically assume that the e-mail which
>>John posted above is not authentic or is otherwise incorrect?
>>
>>I don't think we have enough hard information to substantiate EITHER
>>conclusion.  It may come out (and I certainly hope it does!) or not.
>
>This is not law school nor philosophy 101. David Moskowitz is among the
>most respected writers and consultants in the os/2 market sector.

He's well known offline and I respect his writing (OS/2 Unleashed and
Warp Unleashed are the two best OS/2 books I've ever purchased), but I
have to admit that I don't know the posting that was made here in his
name from a hole in the wall.  His e-mail address and his writing style
don't grace this part of Usenet all that often (which is unfortunate,
IMhO), and I doubt he possesses omniscience about SAMS either.  :-)

For that matter, I don't think I know you (though I've seen your rather
ascerbic responses from time to time on c.o.o.*), tho I think the name
"Ira Wechsler" rings a bell from the BBS nets (RIME or Fido or ILink or
somewhere) maybe 4-5 years ago.  Would that be you?

Do you normally go around slamming respected people you don't know?

>If he says the project is alive and well, that is the case.

Sure, but that fact (by itself) doesn't necessarily imply that SAMS will
be publishing the end results of the project.

I assume there's no reason for the status quo to change, but that is a
pure assumption on my part, not factually based.  He (and we) will find
out in due time (since he's gone and checked himself, apparently).

John is a very good source of information, as you would realize if you
spent much time in the c.o.o.* hierarchy, and I take exception to your
behavior here.  I certainly realize everyone has the right to be an
asshole if they wish, particularly on Usenet where it seems to be a
goal for some, but IMSNShO there are *far* more deserving targets.  :-)

>Perhaps you would rather spend time counting angels on a pin head.

No, actually I'd rather see a clear solution to the problem here rather
than simply tossing ill-considered flames out at everyone around.  

-- 
-Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@skypoint.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
      Written offline using PC Yarn + Yep + FTE under OS/2 Warp 4
       Ignorance is temporary. Stupidity(rudeness?) is forever.

A sociologist would have a field day with this thread!

Greg
-- 
gwc@csd.uwm.edu     UW-Milwaukee News Services & Publications    414/229-4454
http://www.uwm.edu/News                                      FAX:414/229-6443

John Summerfield (summer@iinet.net.au) wrote:

: I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
:      Hi John,
:      Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has 
:      decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems 
:      with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as 
:      well as the first edition. 
:      


Interesting, did you notice which edition of the book this email that you
quoted is about?  The second?   (I assume you cut and pasted this as
no one today would actually retype letters rather then reuse them. :)
The add is not for the second edition, It is for the FOURTH!  Maybe
you got a cancelation notice for OS/2 2.0 Unleashed....  


Was the Third edition Os/2 Warp Unleashed???

--

Andrew Lundgren
alundgre@redwood.dn.hac.com
http://www.dvnexus.net/lundgren

imwechs@ibm.net wrote:
:   Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
: reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
: on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
: in the wall!!!   Get lost.
I guess you don't hang around any of the c.o.o.* newsgroups - or you've
never had to go to John for help with LAN or Web Server or Sendmail
problems. He has the credentials around here to write his own book - so I
have to beleive that this is a misunderstanding - not FUD. If you work
with OS/2 , you would know that John is one of the few experts around.
Please back off.

 --
Bill Curran                                Sysprog - MVS OS/2 xNIX WINx DOS
email : bcurran@stelco.e-mail.com          Rexx on every one of them! 	
http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~aa131   All Standard Disclaimers Apply

David Moskowitz (davidm2@ibm.net) wrote:
: Brian Dorling wrote:
: > rasmos@usa.net wrote:
: > Dave, keep working on it.
: > I Will be buying a copy.

: Thank you for the vote of confidence! <smile>!

: David Moskowitz
Hi David - I snipped most of the rhetoric for brevity's sake ... I'm no 
editor :) - but maybe you should talk to John about including some of his
excellent material in your book. Value added indeed. Maybe SAMS didn't
like his writing style- I know that your style sells well, maybe you could 
"couch" John's stuff in a more saleable fashion. 
--
Bill Curran                                Sysprog - MVS OS/2 xNIX WINx DOS
email : bcurran@stelco.e-mail.com          Rexx on every one of them! 	
http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~aa131   All Standard Disclaimers Apply

In <c1.01.2FHGjp$0nb@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield) writes:
>In <5fcrh0$s3p@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, sales@os2store.com@os2store.com writes:
>]J3 Computer Technologies is presently taking pre-orders for OS/2 Warp
>]Unleashed, 4th Edition; Price - $39.00. See our site for more details
>]    http://www.os2store.com
>
>]Brief description:
>]---------------
>]OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Edition expands on the material that received so much
>]praise in previous editions. Additional material meets or exceeds this
>]standard with coverage for the new features of OS/2 Warp v4 in Networking,
>]Internet, Speech Recognition, Multimedia, Device Support, Enhanced user
>]interface and much more.
>
>Interesting
>
>Info I have from the publishers is that the project has been dropped. As I
>    was to be a contributer, I suspect my information is correct.

Someone should tell Micro Center, then, since we have a SKU for the book in
our computer.

----------------------------------
         Stephen Eickhoff
      etienne@microserve.net
http://www.microserve.net/~etienne
            [Team OS/2]
     [Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia]
----------------------------------

In <5g3r1f$4s2@uwm.edu>, gwc@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Greg F Walz Chojnacki) writes:
>A sociologist would have a field day with this thread!
>
>Greg
>-- 
Yes, but if he used the acronym "OS2" in the title, he MIGHT have a
problem finding a publisher. ;6)

--------------------------------------------------------------------
 Doug Darrow -- <dsdarrow@terminus.com>
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Andrew B. Lundgren wrote:
> Interesting, did you notice which edition of the book this email that you
> quoted is about?  The second?   (I assume you cut and pasted this as
> no one today would actually retype letters rather then reuse them. :)
> The add is not for the second edition, It is for the FOURTH!  Maybe
> you got a cancelation notice for OS/2 2.0 Unleashed....
> 

Hi, Andrew, Hi, all,

I had pre-ordered the Unleashed 4th ed, anf got the following message
today from the os2store:

------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: 
>           OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Ed.
>      Date: 
>           Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:00:50 PST
>     From: 
>           sales@os2store.com
> Reply-To: 
>           Jim@os2store.com
>        To: 
>           ralf.eichler@rw.sni.de
> 
> 
> Hello, 
>  
> Rumor had it that the publication of OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Edition 
> had been cancelled at the eleventh hour, until I was able to confirm or 
> deny this statement I had to take it at face value, that of a rumor. 
>  
> Unfortunately, this rumor has become true. I was just notified minutes 
> ago by our SAM's Publishing Representative that they (SAM's) will not 
> be publishing OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Ed. for a couple of reasons, one 
> being that they feel the OS/2 market place is dying. 
>  
> This is another sad chapter in the OS/2 history book. My apologies to 
> anyone that has been inconvenienced. Our Web site will be updated to 
> reflect this new information. 
>  
> Sincerely, 
> -Jim Ames, President 
> J3 Computer Technologies
> 
> ............................................................... 
> Serving the Global OS/2 Community 
>  
> J3 Computer Technologies 
> http://www.os2store.com 
> Tel: 800-787-0930 
> International: 909-985-6786 
> Fax: 909-981-5423
> 

I think this is a source one can trust.

-- 
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 [TEAMOS2] ( o * )  Email: Ralf.Eichler@Koeln.Netsurf.de
 [GERMANY]  \_Y_/   At work: Ralf.Eichler@rw.sni.de

In <3323201c.0@news.essex1.com>, bgqhr!drrdw0.bnl (Chris J. Alumbaugh) writes:
]In message <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network> -
]summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield)Sun, 09 Mar 1997 00:47:40 GMT
]writes:


]Ya know, it is possible that 2 different animals are being discussed here.
] Was there ever a "followup" to the V3 vintage Warp unleashed planned?? I
]mean one that was "different" than the V4 vintage Warp Unleashed??
]The thing is,, I have no reason to "disbelieve" anyone who has posted in
]this thread. All parties involved have certain "credentials" that make
]them generally reliable sources, so, I am thinking there is a "book
]version mismatch" going on here. What's the chances of that?


Not good. I have "OS/2 Warp UNLEASHED" by Moskowitz, Kerr & others shipped
    by SAMS to me by way of sample as to the base material from which to 
    work. 

A few pages in, it says 
   "Copyright 1995 by Sams Publishing."
   THIRD EDITION

The fourth edition is to cover Warp 4.

Here is what I now believe
   As David says, the book is proceeding.
   It's not surprising David hadn't heard of my involvement as disuccsions 
    regarding completed.
   SAMS decided for resons they chose not to divulge to me that they did 
    nt wish to use my services after all.
   Cari Skaggs, representing SAMS Publishing, told me a story other than 
    the truth.

My dealings with SAMS have not been entirely heartwarming. I hope their 
    other authors have a better experience than mine.



Cheers
John Summerfield
Warped & Connected
Perth, Western Australia
OS2 support @ http://www.iinet.net.au/~summer/
Unsolicited sales messages cost you $US1000

In <5g137m$244q$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, imwechs@ibm.net writes:
]In <ZE8IzoHpvmLQ092yn@skypoint.com>, rsteiner@skypoint.com (Richard Steiner) writes:
]>Here in comp.os.os2.marketplace, imwechs@ibm.net spake unto us, saying:

]>>In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au
]>>(John Summerfield) writes:

]>>>     Hi John,
]>>>     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has 
]>>>     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems 
]>>>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as 
]>>>     well as the first edition. 
]>>><snip>     
]>>>     Cari

]>>>This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com

]>>Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
]>>reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
]>>on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
]>>in the wall!!!   Get lost.

]>SAMS is indeed the publisher, and it's possible that miscommunication
]>is occurring here, but why automatically assume that the e-mail which
]>John posted above is not authentic or is otherwise incorrect?

]>I don't think we have enough hard information to substantiate EITHER
]>conclusion.  It may come out (and I certainly hope it does!) or not.

I'm sure that David will confirm Cari is a contact at Sams. My feeling is 
    that Sams decided to put me off and chose to lie to me.

I do have other letters from Sams on this and other matters: I prefer not 
    to publish them here.

Those who've followed my postings on other matters or seen my web pages 
    will acknowlege me as an enthusiastic user of OS/2.

I believe that the more good books there are on OS/2 the better off we all
    are because it amounts to favourable publicity for OS/2.

However, the fact remains that I received the above letter from Cari and 
    accepted it in good faith that it meant the book was off.

The fact that David had not heard of my involvement is no surprise as we 
    were still discussing the extent of my involvement: there was, in my 
    mind, no doubt that I would be involved. I would expect Davcid to hear
    about it after we'd agreed the material I was best able to cover.

I have here a copy of the previous edition, consigned by on Rhonda Biddy 
    on Jan 24. I have no doubt someone else can confirm that such a person
    exists and is in a postition to make such a consignment.

Before anyone else calls me a liar, I suggest you ask Cari why I'd think 
    the book was called off.

As far as my sanity is concerned, I THINK I'm sane, but then I've never 
    had occasion to have a sanity-check.




Cheers
John Summerfield
Warped & Connected
Perth, Western Australia
OS2 support @ http://www.iinet.net.au/~summer/
Unsolicited sales messages cost you $US1000

In <5g26lm$bjk@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>, peter@fourier.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) writes:
]imwechs@ibm.net wrote:
]>In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield) writes:

][Snip.  I assume you can all backtrack through this thread
]to see what he and others wrote.]

]>  Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
]>reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
]>on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
]>in the wall!!!   Get lost.

]If you don't know him from a hole in the wall, you haven't
]been following the OS/2 newsgroups for very long.  I'd say
]that John Summerfield has established a reputation for
]being someone who knows what he's talking about.

]Certainly we have a contradiction here, and it's a bit of
]a mystery how it happened.  But I don't think David and
]John are calling each other liars.  There's no need for
]this sort of over-reaction.

Thanks Peter. i'm glad someone else is sane;->



Cheers
John Summerfield
Warped & Connected
Perth, Western Australia
OS2 support @ http://www.iinet.net.au/~summer/
Unsolicited sales messages cost you $US1000

In message <33271870.4145@rw.sni.de> - Ralf Eichler
<Ralf.Eichler@rw.sni.de>Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:56:16 -0800 writes:
>> Unfortunately, this rumor has become true. I was just notified minutes 
>> ago by our SAM's Publishing Representative that they (SAM's) will not 
>> be publishing OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Ed. for a couple of reasons, one 
>> being that they feel the OS/2 market place is dying. 

Does anyone have an e-mail address for Sams?  I'd like to let them
know that some of us feel there is still a market (and a need) for
OS/2 publications.

>
>-- 
>   R/\LF    /\_/\   from Cologne, Germany
> [TEAMOS2] ( o * )  Email: Ralf.Eichler@Koeln.Netsurf.de
> [GERMANY]  \_Y_/   At work: Ralf.Eichler@rw.sni.de



*****************************************************************************
Thomas K. Gamble                         tkg@lanl.gov, tgamble@roadrunner.com

*****************************************************************************

In article <5g4pkj$18ko$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, imwechs@ibm.net wrote:

<SNIP>

>>>>] David will be most interested to hear that. AFAIK, he's still writing.
>>>>]I believe they dropped the "Companion" edition, but the normal Unleashed
>>>>]is going ahead.
>>>>
>>>>I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
>>>>     Hi John,
>>>>     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has
>>>>     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems
>>>>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as
>>>>     well as the first edition.
>>>>
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>     Cari
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This from cskaggs@sams.mcp.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>John Summerfield
>>>>Warped & Connected
>>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>>OS2 support @ http://www.iinet.net.au/~summer/
>>>>Unsolicited sales messages cost you $US1000
>>>>
>>>  Do you still insist on posting this FUD in the face of David Moskowitz's
>>>reply. Either your calling him a liar or your a lunatic. I knwo David is
>>>on the mark with his public statements. You I don't know from a hole
>>>in the wall!!!   Get lost.

<SNIP>


> I apologize to Mr. Summerfield and the other users here for my obvious overreaction to Mr. Summerfield's
>post. I do still feel that Mr. Moskowitz being the main contributor and being local
>here is more apt to have the most accurate information. My rudeness was uncalled
>for in any case.

Apparantley, John Summerfield was, in fact, correct. David Moskowitz,
apparantley, was the last to find out.

OS/2 Warp Unleashed 4th Edition has been cancelled by the publisher.
Main reason cited was the they (Sam's) felt that OS/2 was a dying
operating system, and there was not enough market for the book.

Perhaps a few (thousand) well thought out e-mails to
cskaggs@sams.mcp.com would help them to realize that OS/2 is NOT a
dying operating system, and there IS a market for this book, if they
should choose to publish it.

(Please, no flames. Flaming Sam's would only serve to reflect
negatively on OS/2 users).

J3's Web Site has been updated, and there is no longer a link to
pre-order the book.

Here is an e-mail message I recieved today. (I had pre-ordered the
book from J3).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Mar 1997 16:28:51 -0500

 Hello,

   Rumor had it that the publication of OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th
   Edition  had been cancelled at the eleventh hour, until I was able
   to confirm or deny this statement I had to take it at face value,
   that of a rumor.

  Unfortunately, this rumor has become true. I was just notified
  minutes ago by our SAM's Publishing Representative that they (SAM's)
  will not be publishing OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Ed. for a couple of
  reasons, one being that they feel the OS/2 market place is dying.

     This is another sad chapter in the OS/2 history book. My
     apologies to anyone that has been inconvenienced. Our Web site
     will be updated to reflect this new information.

  Sincerely,
  -Jim Ames, President
  J3 Computer Technologies
----------------------------------------------------------------------

--

        Dan Casey           Doesn't "Microsoft"
        Team OS/2           Mean "Small & Limp"?
       ******************************************
       *  De-Spammed Reply-to Address in HEADER *
       *      To send e-mail, remove the !      *
       *            From the USERID             *
       ******************************************
         PGP Public Key Available Upon Request.

John, Ominor wrote:
> 
> I am John Ominor,  The Inhuman.  What is the electronic mailing address of
> SAMS Publishing.

I am Wayne Swanson, the Human. The Inhuman makes a deeply moving and
valid plea as only the Inhuman is able to relate so sussinctly. I too
would like to express my regret that WU 4th will not be published. Just
a kind and gentle "Sad to hear it" note. (very humane)

OK... so I my wife doesn't think I'm human but that doesn't mean I can't
play one on TV!

-----------------------------------------------------------
Wayne Swanson
email: spam_wswanson@daktel.com <--- remove the "spam_"
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/3512
-----------------------------------------------------------

Thomas K. Gamble wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone have an e-mail address for Sams?  I'd like to let them
> know that some of us feel there is still a market (and a need) for
> OS/2 publications.

Other than their Virtual Basic page, Sams seems to have disappeared from
the MacMillan Web Site...


Awrra Best!


Alan
***********************************
Alan Kerr
akerr@ibm.net

Alan Kerr wrote:
> 
> Thomas K. Gamble wrote:
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have an e-mail address for Sams?  I'd like to let them
> > know that some of us feel there is still a market (and a need) for
> > OS/2 publications.
> 
> Other than their Virtual Basic page, Sams seems to have disappeared from
> the MacMillan Web Site...
> 
> Awrra Best!
> 
> Alan
> ***********************************
> Alan Kerr
> akerr@ibm.net

David Moskowitsch, if you are reading this please send
me an E-mail, I have an alternative suggestion.

I think the authors ought to just forget the publisher and make 
an electronic version(probably have to rename it), and ship it via 
the web or on a CD.  Electronic copies are much more convenient.

   --Andy

-- 
+----------------+-------------------------------------------------------------+
  Andy Cannon    | e-mail:  acannon@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu    
                 | URL:     http://phoenix.csc.calpoly.edu/~acannon  
+----------------+-------------------------------------------------------------+

In <5g4pkj$18ko$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, imwechs@ibm.net writes:
]In <sCLJzAe+G5II090yn@ibm.net>, !dcasey!@ibm.net (Dan Casey) writes:
]>In article <5g02f2$21i6$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, imwechs@ibm.net wrote:
]>>In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield) writes:
]>>>In <331F3B87.4CAB@ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Shultz <jbshutlz@ix.netcom.com> writes:
]>>>]John Summerfield wrote:
 <snip snip snip (sounds of closing windows here)>


] I apologize to Mr. Summerfield and the other users here for my obvious overreaction to Mr. Summerfield's
]post. I do still feel that Mr. Moskowitz being the main contributor and being local
]here is more apt to have the most accurate information. My rudeness was uncalled
]for in any case.

May I quote from another posting:

Super bummer, I pre-ordered the book with J3.  I just got an e-mail
telling me that the publisher has decided that they will not be
publishing it.

Gilbert
--

I've had some electronic letters from others who've confirmed my post 
    or had similar info to the above.
    
How good it feels to be vidicated. If you can learn to look before 
    leaping, then go in peace. And please do us the courtesy of revealing 
    your name: I'm not ashamed of mine.


Now to set the record a little straighter.
In a posting yesterday, I expressed the opinion that Cari had lied to me. 
    However well-justified that opinion seemed, it now seems I was 
    informed correctly.

My sympathies to David M who, it seems, hasn't been as well-treated a I'd 
    wish to be.

There was some speculation about edition numbers; Cari's letter mentioned 
    the second edition. I think the explanation is rather simple: though 
    my Warp Unleashed says E3, it's the FIRST for WARP. E1 & E2 were for 
    OS/2.

Someone also expressed the home David M might find an alternative 
    publisher. As SAMS claims copyright, I don't think this would be so 
    simple. A new edition will inevitably cut into whatever market for E3 
    that remains so SAMS would doubtless require as much compensation as 
    they could obtain.

Whether David could rewrite his material in a timely fashion and in a 
    manner such as would avoid risk of lawsuit I doubt.

Cheers
John Summerfield
Warped & Connected
Perth, Western Australia
OS2 support @ http://www.iinet.net.au/~summer/
Unsolicited sales messages cost you $US1000

In message <CcyJzAe+GllZ090yn@ibm.net> - !dcasey!@ibm.net (Dan Casey) writes:

[big snip on the OS/2 Unleashed saga]

>
>Apparantley, John Summerfield was, in fact, correct. David Moskowitz,
>apparantley, was the last to find out.
>
>OS/2 Warp Unleashed 4th Edition has been cancelled by the publisher.
>Main reason cited was the they (Sam's) felt that OS/2 was a dying
>operating system, and there was not enough market for the book.
>
>Perhaps a few (thousand) well thought out e-mails to
>cskaggs@sams.mcp.com would help them to realize that OS/2 is NOT a
>dying operating system, and there IS a market for this book, if they
>should choose to publish it.
>
>(Please, no flames. Flaming Sam's would only serve to reflect
>negatively on OS/2 users).
>
>J3's Web Site has been updated, and there is no longer a link to
>pre-order the book.
>
>Here is an e-mail message I recieved today. (I had pre-ordered the
>book from J3).
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Mar 1997 16:28:51 -0500
>
> Hello,
>
>   Rumor had it that the publication of OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th
>   Edition  had been cancelled at the eleventh hour, until I was able
>   to confirm or deny this statement I had to take it at face value,
>   that of a rumor.
>
>  Unfortunately, this rumor has become true. I was just notified
>  minutes ago by our SAM's Publishing Representative that they (SAM's)
>  will not be publishing OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Ed. for a couple of
>  reasons, one being that they feel the OS/2 market place is dying.
>
>     This is another sad chapter in the OS/2 history book. My
>     apologies to anyone that has been inconvenienced. Our Web site
>     will be updated to reflect this new information.
>
>  Sincerely,
>  -Jim Ames, President
>  J3 Computer Technologies
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>--
>
>        Dan Casey           Doesn't "Microsoft"
>        Team OS/2           Mean "Small & Limp"?

This is very very sad news and I encourage all who care to email SAMS
publishing with a thoughtful request to reconsider (address above in quoted
stuff).  On top of that, I was wondering if those who know David Moskowitz may
be able to persuade him to seek out another publisher, or to help him find
another publisher, in the event that SAMS sticks with it's current position to
not publish the book.  I know that I'll buy it, either off the rack or off
someone's Web page.  The Warp 3 version was incredibly invaluable to me.  It
helped me, as well as did the great folks who passed on advice in these
newsgroups and the great support for OS/2 on the net (what was then Gary
Hammer's Must Have site, the Warp Pharmacy, Stupid OS/2 Tricks, just too many
to recount here) through many trials and tribulations

In the end, I would hate to see David's current efforts not see the light of
day.


-------------------------------------------------------------
Scott R. Eliason        scott-eliason@uiowa.edu
University of Iowa      http://www.avalon.net/~seliason

In message <5g7l5i$ilj@excalibur.avalon.net> - seliason@avalon.net (Scott
R. Eliason)13 Mar 1997 01:27:14 GMT writes:
>
>This is very very sad news and I encourage all who care to email SAMS
>publishing with a thoughtful request to reconsider (address above in quoted
>stuff).  On top of that, I was wondering if those who know David Moskowitz may
>be able to persuade him to seek out another publisher, or to help him find
>another publisher, in the event that SAMS sticks with it's current position to
>not publish the book.  I know that I'll buy it, either off the rack or off
>someone's Web page.  The Warp 3 version was incredibly invaluable to me.  It
>helped me, as well as did the great folks who passed on advice in these
>newsgroups and the great support for OS/2 on the net (what was then Gary
>Hammer's Must Have site, the Warp Pharmacy, Stupid OS/2 Tricks, just too many
>to recount here) through many trials and tribulations
>
>In the end, I would hate to see David's current efforts not see the light of
>day.
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Scott R. Eliason        scott-eliason@uiowa.edu
>University of Iowa      http://www.avalon.net/~seliason
>
>

I am John Ominor,  The Inhuman.  What is the electronic mailing address of
SAMS Publishing.

____________________________________________________________________
John Ominor
#dmccoy@mailhost.mnsinc.com

Even now, The Inhuman ponders the fate of everything you hold 
dear. This is not a threat, merely a statement of fact. 

FORTRESS Ominor is Here.
http://www.mnsinc.com/dmccoy 
____________________________________________________________________

In message <5g6tg1$11t@newshost.lanl.gov> - tkg@lanl.gov (Thomas K. Gamble)12
Mar 1997 18:43:13 GMT writes:
:>
:>In message <33271870.4145@rw.sni.de> - Ralf Eichler
:><Ralf.Eichler@rw.sni.de>Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:56:16 -0800 writes:
:>>> Unfortunately, this rumor has become true. I was just notified minutes 
:>>> ago by our SAM's Publishing Representative that they (SAM's) will not 
:>>> be publishing OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Ed. for a couple of reasons, one 
:>>> being that they feel the OS/2 market place is dying. 
:>
:>Does anyone have an e-mail address for Sams?  I'd like to let them
:>know that some of us feel there is still a market (and a need) for
:>OS/2 publications.
:>

You'd be wasting your time.  Instead why not suggest that they assign the 
rights to the book to a non-profit organization like, say, POSSI, which
could publish the book, maybe in a looseleaf 8.5" x 11" format and make 
some money, which can then be used for projects which benefit us all?
Wouldn't that have a much higher-percentage chance of success than 
browbeating a reluctant publisher to invest in a product in which he
has so little faith?

Just a thought.

Regards,

Alan Pilcher

In message <5g7rab$bo8@news1.mnsinc.com> - John Ominor writes:
>
>In message <5g7l5i$ilj@excalibur.avalon.net> - seliason@avalon.net (Scott
>R. Eliason)13 Mar 1997 01:27:14 GMT writes:
>>
>>This is very very sad news and I encourage all who care to email SAMS
>>publishing with a thoughtful request to reconsider (address above in quoted
>>stuff).  On top of that, I was wondering if those who know David Moskowitz may
>>be able to persuade him to seek out another publisher, or to help him find
>>another publisher, in the event that SAMS sticks with it's current position to
>>not publish the book.  I know that I'll buy it, either off the rack or off
>>someone's Web page.  The Warp 3 version was incredibly invaluable to me.  It
>>helped me, as well as did the great folks who passed on advice in these
>>newsgroups and the great support for OS/2 on the net (what was then Gary
>>Hammer's Must Have site, the Warp Pharmacy, Stupid OS/2 Tricks, just too many
>>to recount here) through many trials and tribulations
>>
>>In the end, I would hate to see David's current efforts not see the light of
>>day.
>>
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>Scott R. Eliason        scott-eliason@uiowa.edu
>>University of Iowa      http://www.avalon.net/~seliason
>>
>>
>
>I am John Ominor,  The Inhuman.  What is the electronic mailing address of
>SAMS Publishing.
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>John Ominor
>#dmccoy@mailhost.mnsinc.com
>
>Even now, The Inhuman ponders the fate of everything you hold 
>dear. This is not a threat, merely a statement of fact. 
>
>FORTRESS Ominor is Here.
>http://www.mnsinc.com/dmccoy 
>____________________________________________________________________
>
>
>

The person to email (gathered from previous posts...not from personal
knowledge mind you) is:

cskaggs@sams.mcp.com

- Scott

------------------------------------------------------------
Scott R. Eliason	scott-eliason@uiowa.edu
University of Iowa	http://www.avalon.net/~seliason

In <c1.01.2FK72N$0oA@cretin.summerfield.network>, summer@iinet.net.au (John Summerfield) writes:
>
>I quote a letter I received Feb 25:
>     Hi John,
>     Regarding the OS/2 Warp Unleashed 2nd edition book; our Publisher has 
>     decided not to publish the 2nd edition. We were having some problems 
>     with the lead authors and do not feel the 2nd edition will sell as 
>     well as the first edition. 
     
They should work for Microsoft, because so far Windows 95 has not sold as well as
Windows 3.1, so they shouldn't publish another version.

----------------------------------
         Stephen Eickhoff
      etienne@microserve.net
http://www.microserve.net/~etienne
            [Team OS/2]
     [Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia]
----------------------------------

!dcasey!@ibm.net (Dan Casey) writes:
>   Unfortunately, this rumor has become true. I was just notified
>   minutes ago by our SAM's Publishing Representative that they (SAM's)
>   will not be publishing OS/2 Warp Unleashed, 4th Ed. for a couple of
>   reasons, one being that they feel the OS/2 market place is dying.
> 

Dear netters,
just as a sidemark: Here in Germany there are 3 Warp4 titles out by
now. Each of them is a >800 pages tome, introductory to medium level,
but surely below the level of "Unleashed".

Can anybody explain why it is possible to publish Warp4 titles here
but in the US the OS/2 market is so dyed out that SAM's cannot afford
to publish a book that has been known as THE top quality OS/2 title?
-- 
=============================================================================
Thomas Hoffmann, Institut fuer Halbleiter- und Mikrosystemtechnik, TU Dresden 
E-mail: hoffmann@ehmgs2.et.tu-dresden.de

If OS/2 could 'walk on water' the front page headline in
InfoWorld would read "OS/2 CAN'T SWIM!!!".

Andrew Peter Cannon wrote:
> 
> I think the authors ought to just forget the publisher and make
> an electronic version(probably have to rename it), and ship it via
> the web or on a CD.  Electronic copies are much more convenient.


If a CD version will be produced, I will definitely buy it!
Anthonie Meijers