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ugunther@diamond.tufts.edu (Ulrich Guenther) writes:


>: I think that there are more of us (OS/2,MAC,Linux users) than there are 
>: of them (Win95 users).  Let's all write Origin and show them that there 
>: is support for other operating systems (namely OS/2).  The address is  
>:  

Um, problem here.  The Mac will probably end up with this as a title.
And even though I believe the OS/2 market is much bigger than these
companies seem to admit, the bigger problem is the stores at the other
end who DON'T and or WON'T stock OS/2 titles.  Our best buy in Topeka,
KS carries 0 OS/2 titles that's I've found, Wal Mart doesn't, neither
does software etc. and on and on and on.  This is a gripe, as I like
the platform.

But It's also a gripe for the gaming company.  When I walk into
Software Etc. they always have signs up for the latest, greatest
Win95 game coming.  They've never stalked (or most of them haven't
heard of) GalCiv.  That's a bigger problem.

If you want OS/2 to succeed in this market, bitching at the game company
may accomplish some, but not the same that getting people to actually
BUY those games will do.  Win95 owners, are, despite what MS says,
mainly gamer folks.  That's most of the people I know who use it.
They buy games.  Get 1 OS/2 game to show up on PC Gamer/CGW/Entertainmaint
PC magazine's top 10 sellers list, just once, and it'll do a lot
for the gaming world.  

So, out of support for OS/2.. you want more OS/2 games, start a surge.
Make a OS/2 game a huge seller (GalCiv sold a lot, but not in huge
opening week kind of things that attract attention of places like
WSJ)

Chris.

Travis Thoms wrote:
> 
> The following is a letter I sent to Origin games yesterday, as well as a
> reply from Origin:
> 
> My Letter:
> I'm not sure if I'm directing this request (complaint) to the right
> department,but here it goes.
>      The news that I've read on different sites on the net that ULtima IX
> will be Win95 only upsets me.  This means I'm out in the cold, as well as
> a great number of people who have decided against "upgrading" to said
> operating system.
>      It seems to me that far more people do not have win95, versus those
> that do.  Why not just base it on dos?  Everyone can use dos:
> Win3.1,Win95,OS/2, and linux can all run dos based games.  If you do
> decide to run your games through a 32 bit system (which is not a bad
> idea), why not port it to all of them?  There are far more Os/2, MacOS,
> and Linux users than win95 people, and it appears to me (although I
> haven't taken a survey or anything) that OS/2 and win NT both have far
> more growth potential than the O.S. you seem to be hellbent to support.
> Please consider broadening yor scope as to the platforms that will run
> yor games; the days of the single operating system are over.
> 
> Reply:
> We're sorry that you're not happy with the decision to produce Ultima IX
> for Win 95 only. Unfortunately, we don't have the resources to port it to
> all the platforms we'd like. Just as we have received complaints, we've
> also received many, many more requests for Windows 95 native software.
> 
> Richard/ORIGIN Marketing
> 
> I think that there are more of us (OS/2,MAC,Linux users) than there are
> of them (Win95 users).  Let's all write Origin and show them that there
> is support for other operating systems (namely OS/2).  The address is
> 
> "marketing@origin.ea.com".
> 
> tpthoms@mail.fia.com
> 
> P.S.  I don't know much about DAPIE; could Origin use something like
> this?  Some of you computer gurus might want to explain it to them if
> they can.


P.P.S. Just so I know I'm not alone on this, why don't you all send me a 
copy of your mail message to Origin.It would be nice to see what you all 
think.

thanks.

tpthoms@mail.fia.com

Travis Thoms (tpthoms@fia.net) wrote:
: The following is a letter I sent to Origin games yesterday, as well as a 
: reply from Origin:

: My Letter:
: I'm not sure if I'm directing this request (complaint) to the right
: department,but here it goes.
:      The news that I've read on different sites on the net that ULtima IX
: will be Win95 only upsets me.  This means I'm out in the cold, as well as
: a great number of people who have decided against "upgrading" to said
: operating system.
:      It seems to me that far more people do not have win95, versus those
: that do.  Why not just base it on dos?  Everyone can use dos:
: Win3.1,Win95,OS/2, and linux can all run dos based games.  If you do
: decide to run your games through a 32 bit system (which is not a bad
: idea), why not port it to all of them?  There are far more Os/2, MacOS,
: and Linux users than win95 people, and it appears to me (although I
: haven't taken a survey or anything) that OS/2 and win NT both have far
: more growth potential than the O.S. you seem to be hellbent to support.
: Please consider broadening yor scope as to the platforms that will run
: yor games; the days of the single operating system are over.

: Reply:
: We're sorry that you're not happy with the decision to produce Ultima IX 
: for Win 95 only. Unfortunately, we don't have the resources to port it to 
: all the platforms we'd like. Just as we have received complaints, we've 
: also received many, many more requests for Windows 95 native software.

: Richard/ORIGIN Marketing

: I think that there are more of us (OS/2,MAC,Linux users) than there are 
: of them (Win95 users).  Let's all write Origin and show them that there 
: is support for other operating systems (namely OS/2).  The address is  
:  

This is an illusion.  If you want to make money with your software you
have to write for WIN95!  This is why LOTUS Smartsuite for WIN95 is out
but not for OS/2.


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In <4gilac$5e4@hopalong.ksu.ksu.edu>, tmservo@ksu.ksu.edu (Chryalisis) writes:
>ugunther@diamond.tufts.edu (Ulrich Guenther) writes:
>
>>: I think that there are more of us (OS/2,MAC,Linux users) than there are 
>>: of them (Win95 users).  Let's all write Origin and show them that there 
>>: is support for other operating systems (namely OS/2).  The address is  
>>:  
>
>Um, problem here.  The Mac will probably end up with this as a title.
>And even though I believe the OS/2 market is much bigger than these
>companies seem to admit, the bigger problem is the stores at the other
>end who DON'T and or WON'T stock OS/2 titles.  Our best buy in Topeka,
>KS carries 0 OS/2 titles that's I've found, Wal Mart doesn't, neither
>does software etc. and on and on and on.  This is a gripe, as I like
>the platform.

Yes, but there *is* progress.  The local CompUSA has about 10 OS/2 
titles, which, while *nothing* compared to the IB catalog, is still 
8-10 titles more than most places carry.

>But It's also a gripe for the gaming company.  When I walk into
>Software Etc. they always have signs up for the latest, greatest
>Win95 game coming.  They've never stalked (or most of them haven't
>heard of) GalCiv.  That's a bigger problem.

I've actually heard of places that have heard of GalCiv, but most 
don't stock it.  One guy I talked to at an OS/2-less store (except for
the OS itself, which most places stock) admitted to using Warp
herself, and that she had been trying to convince her employer to
carry at least a few major OS/2 titles.

>If you want OS/2 to succeed in this market, bitching at the game company
>may accomplish some, but not the same that getting people to actually
>BUY those games will do.  Win95 owners, are, despite what MS says,
>mainly gamer folks.  That's most of the people I know who use it.
>They buy games.  Get 1 OS/2 game to show up on PC Gamer/CGW/Entertainmaint
>PC magazine's top 10 sellers list, just once, and it'll do a lot
>for the gaming world.  

You're partially right.  Not only do we need to speak out, we also need 
to put our money where our mouths are.  When we ask that outlets
carry OS/2 software, we had better be prepared to buy them when they
do.

>So, out of support for OS/2.. you want more OS/2 games, start a surge.
>Make a OS/2 game a huge seller (GalCiv sold a lot, but not in huge
>opening week kind of things that attract attention of places like
>WSJ).

Well, by OS/2 standards it *did* become a "huge seller."  Maybe part of 
that was pent-up demand; who knows?  But the fact is that GalCiv has
cracked some *overall* "top game" lists (not just top OS/2 game, which it
clearly is), which means it can't be totally ignored.  The more "must have,
killer apps" OS/2 has, the better off we are (and apparently, the better
off Stardock is  :)  ).

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"The net.persona formerly known as ziggy29"  ** Team OS/2 and proud! **
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 ugunther@diamond.tufts.edu (Ulrich Guenther) wrote:
>
> This is an illusion.  If you want to make money with your software you
> have to write for WIN95!

Like Stardock does? Have you ever noticed that competition in
OS/2-market is almost zero? If you make good software it is very easy
to make money with OS/2 software.

Arto

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