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Article #79Re: A new lease on life: (WAS: Requiem for OpenDoc)
From: crobato
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 00:00
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 00:00
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In <3330c3a3.0@atheria.europa.com>, bknotts@europa.com (Brian Knotts) writes: >In <5gnuil$1hb4$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, baxte17@ibm.net (Kevin J Baxter) writes: > >>If we want IBM to better support OS/2, then PSP must >>sell its own hardware (much like AIX is sold with RS/6000s, OS/400s >>is sold with AS/400 and OS/390 is sold with S/390s). > >Well, that's what the whole Power Personal thing was initially, >but, as I understand it, it was originally part of RS/6000, then >PSP got hold of it. > >They more or less abandoned it before it had a chance to sink or >swim, because of the whining attitude of PSP (as you note, *not* >the major money makers within IBM). I say, to hell with PSP; IBM >should revive the Power Personal for Warp 5.0. > >The original concept of a portable, microkernel-based OS/2 (or OS/2- >like operating system) ON ITS OWN NON-INTEL HARDWARE PLATFORM, was >an excellent one, IMO. I won't give any credit to the Power Personal Series as a kind of pro-OS/2 exclusive platform. Far from it, the PReP platform that the Power Personal Series was based on was conceived as a fair multi-OS venture that included PPC NT, PPC Solaris, PPC Netware, AIX and even MacOS. The great irony was that Power Personals could not sell because it cannot run *MacOS*, which had evolved to require so many proprietary hardware dependencies, that MacOS cannot run on a common multi OS platform. (For the same reason the MacOS on Intel project got skunked in the first half of the nineties.) Unlike the Intel platform, where OS/2 can use Windows and DOS software compatibility as a take off point, neither PPC OS/2 nor Power Personal is compatible to the base of Mac software, whose actual numbers and their quality is far more impressive than many would believe. One can blame that IBM itself, which shipped more than 2.4 million PowerPC processors last year, was the last company who was able to control and exploit their own technology. Apple literally ran away with control of the PowerPC market. Right now, no one can sell a PowerPC system (other than AIX) that can't run MacOS, and the two has become intertwined. Furthermore, the more OS/2 PPC remains in hiatus, the more IBM delays in coming out with their own advanced *desktop* PowerPC OS (AIX and OS/400 are basically back end server OSes), the more IBM's control of that market withers away, as OpenStep and BeOS---both of whom has a take no prisoners approach to technology and object orientation---competes for the predomination of the PowerPC platform. It's one thing when you take OS/2 to argue against Windows 95 and NT on technical merits, but it's another ballgame when it's against OpenStep and BeOS. Furthermore, Rhapsody is an advanced OS that is Unix in the core---it's one thing for AIX to compete against PPC NT, but again, it's another ballgame if it takes on Rhapsody. The fact that Apple has dropped its AIX support show that it has motives to that effect. Lastly PowerPC is practically an open standard. It appears anyone can make it, just as Exponential (30% owned by Apple) has shown that IBM does not monopolize the PowerPC. > >It would have allowed OS/2 to have its own, unique marketplace, where >it wouldn't be in direct competition with Windows (yes, I know NT >was there on PPC at the time, but NT was hardly used back in '95; >heck, it's still not used that heavily today). > For OS/2 to have its unique marketplace, it must have its dedicated hardware platform. If PPC OS/2 is released next year, hypothetically speaking, on the PPCP Mac platform, it still has to compete against Rhapsody and BeOS, both like PPC OS/2, highly advanced microkernel based OSes with extensive object orientation in their architecture. (PPC OS/2, Rhapsody and BeOS are actually distant cousins---they all have roots in MachOS.) The marketing on Rhapsody will undoubtedly aggressive, and so will BeOS be. For PPC OS/2 to succeed, first it must show that it has a superior kernel over that of Rhapsody and BeOS---something which it might really have, if the rumors about IBM Microkernel v2.0 is true (1024 CPU SMP support, will support more threads and loads, real time support.) Then second, IBM must craft some cheap hardware that can outprice PPCP Mac clones and won't run Rhapsody or Be. Since Mac clones are easily hitting the $1200 mark now, the new IBM PPC OS/2 hardware has to be cheaper than that. Third, it must show it has better Java support and performance, better than any OS from both Apple and Microsoft, and Java helps it integrate better with other IBM platforms. Lastly, it's a machine that can be sold easily to its big corporate customers. In conclusion, an IBM PowerPC Network Computer that runs the Java NC version of PPC OS/2. That's for the bottom end. As RS/6000s gets squeezed by Intel NT in one side, AIX has the capability to run on low cost PPCP platforms. Unfortunately, AIX is too expensive and cumbersome for the ordinary user. Thus IBM needs a lower cost desktop OS to protect its stake in the PowerPC market. Right now, the PowerPC is on the comeback and may still actually threaten Intel---Mac clone vendors have raised the MacOS share of the overall market from over 7% in October 1996 to over 11% in January 1997, accounting for over 61% in new retail growth. That's 1% per -month- folks. I find even greater irony that IBM will be making Apple's 180-240MHz 2400 Powerbook subnotebook---IBM Thinkpads with an Apple label. Not to mention that it's been sublicensing MacOS to potential Taiwanese Mac clone makers, including Acer and Tatung. If IBM does not put a stake on the PowerPC market with a PPC OS/2, it will become a Mac clone vendor in the PowerPC market. Rgds, Chris Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ee4f,6baa961c420547b0 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ee4f,public X-Google-Thread: 11307a,6baa961c420547b0 X-Google-Attributes: gid11307a,public X-Google-Thread: 1138ec,6baa961c420547b0 X-Google-Attributes: gid1138ec,public X-Google-Thread: 10cd94,6baa961c420547b0 X-Google-Attributes: gid10cd94,public From: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Subject: Re: A new lease on life: (WAS: Requiem for OpenDoc) Date: 1997/03/24 Message-ID: <5h53cf$k6l@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> X-Deja-AN: 227880863 References: <5gcpte$291g$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <5gcpte$291g$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <5ghtkv$lan@server1.erinet.com> <5gim25$2l@dopey.magg.net> <E77v9M.GLK@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca> <332e80c6.0@news.essex1.com> <5gnuil$1hb4$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <3330c3a3.0@atheria.europa.com> Organization: Kuentos Reply-To: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer.misc,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.org.team-os2