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Article #334Re: James - any new thots on pppoE?
From: Lawrence Baldwin
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:09
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:09
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Michael wrote: > > "Josh Howlett" <bujfxh@shark.cse.bris.ac.uk> wrote in message > news:G8prup.GCw@bath.ac.uk... > | James Carlson <james.d.carlson@sun.com> wrote: > | > John D Loop <loop@snt.bst.bls.com> writes: > | > | > Looks can be deceiving. It's trivial to forge packets on PPPoE, and > | > use these forged packets to highjack user sessions or snipe them out > | > of existence as long as you have bridging at the Ethernet layer. James, (Great Book, BTW!) With a Redback configuration and PPPoE, you've got a private PVC between the customer and the Redback...no bridging involved. Thus, I assume session hijacking isn't an issue. Trust me, I have tons of concerns regarding the current poor implementation of PPPoE (e.g. disconnects, packet size mis-matches, slow login times, etc..) but from hands-on experience, it does solve many of the issues you get with RFC1483/bridging once you scale to a few thousand users per router interface. As an example, I constantly saw Cisco 6400s (DSL aggregation router) taken to their knees due to 5-6 customer using Vicomsoft (connection sharing software) sending constant 5-6 ARP Broadcasts/second. Let's just hope the implementation get better, soon. lb. ------------------------- Lawrence Baldwin Protocol Scientist 678-624-0924 http://www.mynetwatchman.com/about.htm - I'm under attack, now what?
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