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Article #341Re: PPPoE marketing
From: John D Loop
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:16
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:16
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Oh yes,
Your book is even more marked up than James' book! Does everybody who
participate in this group have to write a book? Guess I better get
busy. I think I could write a great novel about ADSL.
PPPoX can be quite an add-on hassle right now. But I remember when
TCP/IP was an add-on hassle on Windows.
There are people who have big plans for the multiple session capabilities
of PPPoE, so hang on for a bumpy ride. Nobody will splain to me why
pppoE is all over the map. They can only splain why it is crummy!
Well, Windows [should I capitalize that?] is crummy and it is all over
the map. Why do I have to deal with all this crummy stuff?
John
Andrew Sun wrote:
> John Loop wrote:
> >
> > But why are all the providers (almost all) implementing this stuff?
> > I don't get it. Can you splain this?
>
> It's called marketing, and the {A}DSL providers bought it,
> hook, line, and sinker.
>
> Many advantages of PPPoE are a marketing illusion. Much of which
> can be implemented with technically better alternatives.
> Multiple sessions? Allocate another IP address. Multiple
> service providers? Associate IPs with a service provider.
> Perhaps use virtual LAN concepts, one per provider. Username
> and password authentication? Silly. When was the last time a
> password was required before using residential telephone service?
>
> From this users point of view, PPPoE is a real nuisance.
>
> It emulates dial-up service in this day and age when internet
> service should be always on.
> "Now you can have an always-on ADSL service that can mysteriously
> disconnect. And will disconnect if you reboot your computer."
>
> It requires custom software for Windows PCs, and unusual work
> arounds for professionals with UNIX, Linux, Solaris, Beos, MacOS,
>
> It can potentially create obscure, and difficult to troubleshoot
> problems due to protocol design deficiencies.
>
> What is the password? Why is it necessary?
>
> At least there exist competing cable-tv internet service
> providers who can provide the more desirable, unaltered
> ethernet connectivity. As for some of the ADSL providers out
> there, still too little (and it's PPPoE), too late, and for
> too many dollars. Competition is a good thing.
>
> (Gee, I hope my rantings can make a difference)
> Just another author's opinion. . .
>
> --
> "Using & Managing PPP," http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/umppp
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