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Re: PPPoE marketing

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From: John D Loop
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:16
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Oh yes,
Your book is even more marked up than James' book!  Does everybody who
participate in this group have to write a book?  Guess I better get
busy.  I think I could write a great novel about ADSL.
PPPoX can be quite an add-on hassle right now.  But I remember when
TCP/IP was an add-on hassle on Windows.
There are people who have big plans for the multiple session capabilities
of PPPoE, so hang on for a bumpy ride.  Nobody will splain to me why
pppoE is all over the map.  They can only splain why it is crummy!
Well, Windows [should I capitalize that?] is crummy and it is all over
the map.  Why do I have to deal with all this crummy stuff?
John

Andrew Sun wrote:

> John Loop wrote:
> >
> > But why are all the providers (almost all) implementing this stuff?
> > I don't get it.  Can you splain this?
>
> It's called marketing, and the {A}DSL providers bought it,
> hook, line, and sinker.
>
> Many advantages of PPPoE are a marketing illusion.  Much of which
> can be implemented with technically better alternatives.
> Multiple sessions?  Allocate another IP address.  Multiple
> service providers?  Associate IPs with a service provider.
> Perhaps use virtual LAN concepts, one per provider.  Username
> and password authentication?  Silly.  When was the last time a
> password was required before using residential telephone service?
>
> From this users point of view, PPPoE is a real nuisance.
>
> It emulates dial-up service in this day and age when internet
> service should be always on.
> "Now you can have an always-on ADSL service that can mysteriously
> disconnect.  And will disconnect if you reboot your computer."
>
> It requires custom software for Windows PCs, and unusual work
> arounds for professionals with UNIX, Linux, Solaris, Beos, MacOS,
>
> It can potentially create obscure, and difficult to troubleshoot
> problems due to protocol design deficiencies.
>
> What is the password?  Why is it necessary?
>
> At least there exist competing cable-tv internet service
> providers who can provide the more desirable, unaltered
> ethernet connectivity.  As for some of the ADSL providers out
> there, still too little (and it's PPPoE), too late, and for
> too many dollars.  Competition is a good thing.
>
> (Gee, I hope my rantings can make a difference)
> Just another author's opinion. . .
>
> --
> "Using & Managing PPP," http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/umppp




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From: John D Loop <loop@snt.bst.bls.com>
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Subject: Re: PPPoE marketing
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:16:09 -0500
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