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Article #342Re: James - any new thots on pppoE?
From: John D Loop
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:25
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:25
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------86DDD8AA6DA00F9234D0D38B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Touche, that's easy: You just made an argument for ATM to the desktop... [since the WAN was ATM]. There are those who thot the whole ADSL implementation should have been with an ATM NIC - no ethernet! This was the early preachings of Alcatel. Unfortunately our American (that's us) providers told us that Ethernet had already won the desktop war and that nobody was going to buy an ATM NIC card for $300 when they could buy an ethernet card for $30. So there you have it, ethernet in the LAN, ATM in the WAN [of course I'm simplifying here], and we will live the consequences for probably a generation. I think Ameritech actually started ADSL with an ATM NIC a couple years ago. John Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: > In article <3A89E8E8.A629D758@mynetwatchman.com>, > Lawrence Baldwin <baldwinlSPAMMENOT@mynetwatchman.com> wrote: > >Michael wrote: > >> > >> "Josh Howlett" <bujfxh@shark.cse.bris.ac.uk> wrote in message > >> news:G8prup.GCw@bath.ac.uk... > >> | James Carlson <james.d.carlson@sun.com> wrote: > >> | > John D Loop <loop@snt.bst.bls.com> writes: > > > >> | > >> | > Looks can be deceiving. It's trivial to forge packets on PPPoE, and > >> | > use these forged packets to highjack user sessions or snipe them out > >> | > of existence as long as you have bridging at the Ethernet layer. > > > >James, > > > >(Great Book, BTW!) > > > >With a Redback configuration and PPPoE, you've got a private PVC between > >the customer and the Redback...no bridging involved. Thus, I assume > >session hijacking isn't an issue. > > Uh, excuse me, but if you have a *private PVC*, what's the point of using > this garbage *at all*? > > -- > Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com > And now he couldn't remember when this passion had flown, leaving him so > foolish and bewildered and astray: can any man? > William Styron -- Question posed to Arthur C. Clarke: How do you keep up with the new advances? "I don't, of course - who can? And it makes me sorry. I can't read fiction anymore, I just don't have time for it. The entire time is spent e-mailing!" --------------86DDD8AA6DA00F9234D0D38B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="loop.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for John D Loop Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="loop.vcf" begin:vcard n:Loop;John tel;pager:jloop@bellsouthips.com tel;fax:404 872 5329 tel;work:404 332 2232 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:BellSouth Telecom;Science and Technology version:2.1 email;internet:loop@snt.bellsouth.com title:Member Tech Staff adr;quoted-printable:;;Room 40U95=0D=0A675 West Peachtree St=0D=0AAtlanta, GA 30375;;;; x-mozilla-cpt:;27024 end:vcard --------------86DDD8AA6DA00F9234D0D38B--
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103eaf,8bcec72c5c695208 X-Google-Attributes: gid103eaf,public X-Google-Thread: 1122a6,8bcec72c5c695208 X-Google-Attributes: gid1122a6,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-02-14 05:28:17 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.atl!iocextnews!not-for-mail From: John D Loop <loop@snt.bst.bls.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,bellsouth.net.support.adsl Subject: Re: James - any new thots on pppoE? Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:25:29 -0500 Organization: BellSouth Telecom Lines: 81 Message-ID: <3A8A8748.AE5A4520@snt.bst.bls.com> References: <3A87F5AB.7592D38E@snt.bst.bls.com> <G8prup.GCw@bath.ac.uk> <y5ii6.3012$Uc6.66422@news2.atl> <3A89E8E8.A629D758@mynetwatchman.com> <96cupj$30p$1@panix1.panix.com> Reply-To: loop@snt.bst.bls.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 90.30.214.241 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------86DDD8AA6DA00F9234D0D38B" X-Trace: iocextnews.bls.com 982157578 29280 90.30.214.241 (14 Feb 2001 13:32:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: hostmaster@bls.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Feb 2001 13:32:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en