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Started by Pankaj Tyagi
Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:13
Why is PPP better than SLIP
Author: Pankaj Tyagi
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:13
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:13
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Hi, This may be a FAQ question but I have been unable to find the answer to this question for a long time. WHY IS PPP BETTER THAN SLIP? To make this question less general I'll give a scenario that I'm currently invloved in. o I'm developing an application in which a 486 based workstation connects to a central database (after dialing up to a terminal server). A lot of data is interchanged between the user at the workstationa and the central database over tcp socket connection. Currently I'm using on the PC side SLIP provided by Chameleon with a 8250 UART talking to a Racal-Milgo Modem V42bis. That modem is capable of giving sustained 14.4kbs and 38.2kbs burst. Using SLIP my throughput (that is counting only usable data, not counting headers and retransmission) is around 8kbs. which I believe is pretty good, given thae fact that the database is not physically located in the same place as the terminal server but is about 250 miles away connected to the terminal server through a router and leased line. o Given this how much can PPP improve performance or what value can it add to the whole process. o As a side note, I have before me a recent article in CW titled "Remote user get TCP/IP sans LAN" which goes on to describe this prduct called "SupperPPP" whic is "...layered over the Microsoft Corp. Windows operating environment and Frontier's TCP/IP or any industry-standard Open System Interconnect communications protocols." This product, it seems provides TCP/IP functionality over serial lines and it "adds error correction, retransmission and speed to the older SLIP for remote TCP/IP networking.....speedwise PPP could translate into a tenfold improvement over SLIP" NOW is that really true. I mean I thought I was getting almost all I could bet from my POTS line using SLIP. Can it really be true that PPP is really that much superior to SLIP? Any help is appreciated. Pankaj Tyagi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #include std.disclaimer| pankaj@bass.bu.edu,pankaj@pub2.bu.edu #if IDONTLIKEYUORQUOTE |"..I mean if I said that I'm the king just because some #include local.joke | watery tart lobbed me a scimitar, they'd put me away" -- #include std.disclaimer| pankaj@bass.bu.edu,pankaj@pub2.bu.edu #if IDONTLIKEYUORQUOTE |"..I mean if I said that I'm the king just because some #include local.joke | watery tart lobbed me a scimitar, they'd put me away" ----------------------- Quote from Monty Pythons "Quest of the Holy Grail------
Re: Why is PPP better than SLIP
Author: Bob Sutterfield
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:03
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:03
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In article <94745@bu.edu> pankaj@bass.bu.edu (Pankaj Tyagi) writes: Currently I'm using on the PC side SLIP provided by Chameleon with a 8250 UART talking to a Racal-Milgo Modem V42bis. That modem is capable of giving sustained 14.4kbs and 38.2kbs burst. Using SLIP my throughput (that is counting only usable data, not counting headers and retransmission) is around 8kbs. which I believe is pretty good, given the fact that the database is not physically located in the same place as the terminal server but is about 250 miles away connected to the terminal server through a router and leased line. Between SPARCstation-1s connected via Telebit T3000/Worldblazers (V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis, 38400 DTE) over long-distance lines (Columbus to Minneapolis), running PPP with "VJ" TCP header compression, I see FTP throughput like 2.4-2.7 Kbytes/sec for /vmunix and 2.8-3.2 Kbytes/sec for /usr/dict/words. That's about 3 times your throughput. Offhand, I'd point to your 8250 as a bottleneck. Given this how much can PPP improve performance or what value can it add to the whole process. There's no performance difference between SLIP and PPP. PPP has three more bytes of per-packet protocol overhead, which turns a typical 5-byte telnet packet into 8 bytes, so your interactive latency is imperceptibly and unmeasurably higher with PPP than with SLIP. A typical PPP MTU (maximum packet size) is 1500, while SLIP is typically 1006, so those extra three bytes could be amortized over a larger amount of user data, but three bytes are down in the noise of 1500. As a side note, I have before me a recent article in CW titled "Remote user get TCP/IP sans LAN" which goes on to describe this prduct called "SupperPPP" whic is "...layered over the Microsoft Corp. Windows operating environment and Frontier's TCP/IP or any industry-standard Open System Interconnect communications protocols." That's great! Customers are asking us all the time to recommend a PPP for that environment. We'd do it ourselves, but we are UNIX adherents, and not of the MS-Windows faith :-) This product, it seems provides TCP/IP functionality over serial lines and it "adds error correction, retransmission and speed to the older SLIP for remote TCP/IP networking..." If Super-PPP is the IETF PPP WG's RFC-1331/1332 PPP, then it doesn't have error correction or retransmission. PPP has error detection, not correction; PPP drops bad packets and relies upon upper layers (UDP or TCP) for retransmission. There are IETF PPP WG subcommittees working on error correction and retransmission, but there aren't even any draft standards yet. It's all still research and exploratory stuff, nowhere near ready to call a product nor a standard. "... speedwise PPP could translate into a tenfold improvement over SLIP" Actually, that's attributed to someone from HDS, a company that recently started shipping "its own version of PPP" with its X terminals. The article says they started shipping PPP "after rigorous performance testing of PPP and SLIP," but I haven't been able to reproduce their results. NOW is that really true. I mean I thought I was getting almost all I could bet from my POTS line using SLIP. Can it really be true that PPP is really that much superior to SLIP? That's marketing hype. Don't believe it. They're constrained, like everyone else, by (1) the amount of user data that must traverse the link, and (2) current modem technology. Since it's the same amount of user data, and since they're presumably using the same type modem, there's no difference between PPP and SLIP. Actually, come to think of it, there's one way in which they might say that a PPP implementation shows a many-fold reduction in the number of bits that traverse the wire. If the SLIP doesn't do RFC-1144 "VJ" TCP header compression, and if the PPP does, then the size of a typical transmitted telnet frame will decrease from forty-something to 8. That's a factor of about five, but it doesn't affect throughput, only interactive latency. And plenty of SLIPs out there do VJ, they're called CSLIP. If that's the comparison, then it's totally invalid. If they had compared a VJ-capable PPP with a VJ-capable SLIP, they would have seen no performance difference at all. It's not a difference between PPP and SLIP, it's a difference between using VJ and not using VJ. Sorry to rant. PPP is subject to enough misunderstanding without having a dose of misleading marketing hype thrown in too.
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