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Article #75Re: Stylized font quandry
From: Alan
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:13
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:13
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"Rick" <rauth567@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<c5pa85$4e805$1@ID-124161.news.uni-berlin.de>... > I am using Pagemaker 7 on XP pro, and have been using Univers as the > "official corporate font" for 11 years. The Univers Type 1 font set from > Adobe comes with 8 pfb files, UVL, UV, UVB, UVBL and the 4 oblique files. > > In XP's Font Viewer, both the Univers Light and the Univers Bold files show > with the same title, Univers 45 Light (Type 1). > The Univers and Univers Black files have the same title, Univers 55 (Type > 1). > > In pagemaker, only 45 and 55 are listed as available fonts. I have to bold > and italicize them. Strangely, in Photoshop 7, all 4 weights are listed. > > My print shop has recently installed a new Heidelberg direct to plate > system, driven by a PC (at least for my files, he has a Mac too) and the > printer has difficulty producing my pubs with the bolding applied. They all > come out as very loose, normal weight. He says I need actual 65 and 75 > weight font files, which do not seem to exist in the PC world. > I managed to work around the problem for now by providing him with hires pdf > files. > Is there a setting somewhere on the imagesetter driver to accept or ignore > stylized weights? > Would this problem go away if I migrated to InDesign? At the end of this I've pasted the text file that accompanies the Univers fonts in Adobe Font Folio 9. Basically, the individual "Font names" are Univers 45, 55, 65, 75 (light, roman, bold, black). [Photoshop is apparently using these.] Adobe have given these Windows "menu names" grouping them into two familes, "Univers 45" and "Univers 55". So "Univers 45, bold" is actually (or should be) the font named Univers 65; and "Univers 55, bold" is actually "Univers 75". Most Windows apps should see these names. So you have all the fonts you need, you just have to make sure the software uses them. This is a PageMaker question, really. I loaded these fonts and they appear to work okay in PageMaker 6.5 and Win 98. The other question is what files are you giving the output people? PageMaker files? If so, it's possible they haven't got the fonts installed correctly on their system. You can solve a lot of font issues if you can make PDF files on your PC and give that with the fonts embedded. If you rely on the output people to make adjustments (replacing images, etc) that can make it more difficult for them though. Otherwise, there are many PageMaker forums you might seek advice. EG: <http://www.adobe.com/support/forums/main.html>, or the general prepress newsgroup comp.publish.prepress UNIVERS.TXT FILE================ Package Univers As a student in Zurich, Adrian Frutiger began work on Univers, which would eventually be released in 1957 by the Deberny & Peignot foundry in Paris. The design is a neo-grotesque, similar to its contemporary, Helvetica. With the release of Univers, Frutiger began using numbers rather than names to designate variations of weight, width, and slope. The full Univers family consists of twenty-one typefaces, and Frutiger has used this numerical system on other designs, including Serifa and Frutiger. Linotype also has adopted this numerical system for many other faces. All twenty-one Univers faces were designed to work together, so they can be mixed in a variety of ways. Their legibility lends itself to a large variety of applications, from text and headlines to packaging and signage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Many PC applications have separate menus for selecting typeface families and typeface styles. Most applications let you choose among regular, bold, and italic styles in the Style menu. However, some Adobe Type Library packages include font software with additional style variations and stroke weight variations. To select these variations, you need to know how the bold and italic styles are linked to the base typeface. For example, the New Caledonia typeface includes semi-bold, bold, and black. To use New Caledonia Black, you need to choose New Caledonia SemiBold from the application's Font menu (or equivalent), and then choose Bold from the Style menu (or equivalent). If you are using a Microsoft Windows application, Ventura Publisher or Microsoft Word, follow the guide to typeface style selection below. (The Microsoft Word menu name will be as listed below but with any spaces in it removed.) If you are using an application other than these, refer to the application's documentation. If you are reading this document using Windows Notepad, please make sure to set your left and right margins to zero before printing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PostScript Menu Name Plus Style Links DOS File Name (BOLD, ITALIC, and BOLDITALIC) Name ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Univers-Light Univers 45 Light UVL_____.PFB Univers-Bold Univers 45 Light,BOLD UVB_____.PFB Univers-LightOblique Univers 45 Light,ITALIC UVLO____.PFB Univers-BoldOblique Univers 45 Light,BOLDITALIC UVBO____.PFB Univers Univers 55 UV______.PFB Univers-Black Univers 55,BOLD UVBL____.PFB Univers-Oblique Univers 55,ITALIC UVO_____.PFB Univers-BlackOblique Univers 55,BOLDITALIC UVBLO___.PFB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The typefaces in this package are numbered according to the Frutiger system, which denotes weight, width and slope. The following table shows how these numbers correspond to the menu names and style links of the fonts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Menu Name Plus Style Links Full Name (BOLD, ITALIC, and BOLDITALIC) (with Frutiger Number) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Univers 45 Light Univers 45 Light Univers 45 Light,BOLD Univers 65 Bold Univers 45 Light,ITALIC Univers 45 Light Oblique Univers 45 Light,BOLDITALIC Univers 65 Bold Oblique Univers 55 Univers 55 Roman Univers 55,BOLD Univers 75 Black Univers 55,ITALIC Univers 55 Oblique Univers 55,BOLDITALIC Univers 75 Black Oblique ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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