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Article #1773How to send robots to Erebus, Mars ?
From: Lalitesh Katragadda
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:45
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:45
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Heres my 2c worth to the discussion:
1) Dante's (the Robot that almost went down the volcano) purpose is
a) Not to go down Mount Erebus and do a jig
b) Not to test teleoperation as suggested, but it so happened that it
was required.
The primary purpose of Dante was not to build a Robot but to fulfill
a mission that was till now not possible (see below). That in itself
was a major step for mobile robotics research at CMU (and probably
elsewhere).
2) Mount Erebus is probably the only unvisited surface feature on this planet.
Snippets
. A while ago a manned attempt to go there and collect scientific
data was attempted and a minor eruption almost cost a life and
further missions were FORBIDDEN.
. The glass panes at an observatory on the tip of Erebus got corroded
in a few months (glass is supposed to be pretty inert)
. Geologists think that this volcano which is almost continuously
spewing tons of gases into the atmosphere may have a significant
impact on the environment. Data on these gases and other relevant
data is deemed of high value
Conclusion (at least of the people interested) : Exploration of Mt. Erebus is
of high scientific value.
3) Science projects aboard Dante:
a) Stereo camera feedback.
b) Gas chromotograph and other sensors to determine gas composition.
c) Other stuff i may be unaware of.
4) Solutions:
a) Dante (cost 2-3 mil), compare with costs of other envirnmental projects.
b) ? Last year when this project was up for grabs, there was apparently no
microrover proposal. Please correct me on this, i could
be wrong.
5) What did the `failed' Dante accomplish?
a) Proximity sensors for the feet which are apparently reliable.
b) A unique polar laser range finder which is much lighter and the
first of its kind designed to suit the weight and sensing requirements
of a mobile robot.
c) Teleoperation (enough said about that)
d) Software for robot simulation in terrain, mission monitering and
teleoperation software for operation at various levels of autonomy.
e) A science package (which costs a lot) assembled for such a mission.
f) A new kind of walking mechanism which exploits the mechnical design
to generate a natural gait (much like the ackerman steering reduce
degrees of freedom).
6) Questions:
a) Is reliability the issue here or viability?
Aspects that may hinder a microrover:
. Dante required protection and heating for its electronics.
. Sensors like foot proximity sensors, stereo vision, laser range finders
are not scalable (though they may not be required for the microrover
concept, some sensing is required).
. The science package is probably not scalable too.
b) The microrover concept seems to be tied in with large numbers and low
cost. Given the same mission or objective, i am interested in knowing
how the cost scales since that is a major concern for planetary
exploration. The question is planetary exploration for what (and why)?
c) Continuouing the previous question, the JPL microrover slated to go to
mars will travel about 10 m or so. That clearly demarkates it from a
`robot' concept which is capable of locomoting very long distances, since
it carries all communications and computation on board.
The question that arises for mars exploration is, will not an army of
micro landers do the same job? Why do we need a micro rover which adds to
weight and cost? (for example, a mini arm attached to the lander may be
able to do the required exploration?
Note that the question above is rhetoric. In a sense the `required'
exploration is tailored to meet the budget, based on a priority of
science missions. Hence if a particular objective can be accomplished
with a lower cost, it may get a higher priority.
d) How does Dante help the debate for or against any kind of robot
philisophy? Can we generalize from an instance where the failure
was not due to a flaw in the robot design.
7) You probably guessed my personal bias by now. I think that mobile robots
for exploration will not be monsters like the Ambler but not microrovers
simply because of the sensing, computation, power and exploration
requirements prevent a micro size (today). The robots that do exploration
might very well be the size of pet animals wieghing upto 150kg or so and
able to accomplish long, autonomous missions with almost any kind of science
required. This seems like predicting a cray on every desk in 1975 or even 1980.
But commercialization of sensors and actuators might make it possible soon;
how soon is up for grabs.
cheers,
lalit
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