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In article <zgBl6.3896$S25.55135@typhoon.sonic.net>,
 John Navas <spamfilter@navasgrp.dublin.ca.us> wrote:

> [POSTED TO comp.dcom.modems.cable; PLEASE REPLY THERE]
> 
> In <976mhu$itt$1@news.panix.com>, snorwood@redballoon.net (Scott
> Norwood) wrote:
> 
> >In article <4ald9tgo6bku8v49seqqgjk22064nqdetr@4ax.com>,
> >Mike  <no@no.dont.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>Oh, so its the victims fault? Clueless they might be...so what? Do you
> >>know all there is to know about everything you own? Are you positive the
> >>vehicle you drive doesn't have a defect that could injure yourself or
> >>another? Trust is the key word here. How about blaming the software
> >>developer for the design decision, or lack thereof, for shares being
> >>automatically exposed to the 'net.
> >
> >Are you implying that bad drivers should sue car manufacturers for
> >every accident for failure to make a vehicle that is accident-proof?
> >
> >Seriously, if you don't know how to drive, you shouldn't be behind
> >the wheel.  If you don't know enough to run a reasonably secure OS
> >and configure it properly (and can't find someone else to help you
> >do so), you shouldn't be running a computer on a public, untrusted
> >network with any expectation that the OS will not be compromised.
> >
> >This isn't "blaming the victim" so much as it is common sense.
> 
> With all due respect, this is a matter of defective design, not cockpit
> error.  When someone gets seriously injured because Firestone tires
> separated, you blame Firestone, not the hapless driver that was
> unfortunate enough to buy and use them.  The problem here is that

Awww come-on.  I'm so tired of hearing this stupid excuse as well.  Those 
tires didn't just explode on the road.  Tires take hundreds if not thousands 
of miles to separate that badly.  All that time, they are making noises, 
getting louder and louder.  Most were so ignorant of the the vehicle they 
operate that they drove the tires to destruction when there was plenty of 
warning.  Sure, Firestone made tires that were defective, and drivers drove 
them to pieces, blithely ignoring all signs of impending doom.

Why should computers be any different?

> computers being sold to average people are inherently and inexcusably
> insecure.  Average people shouldn't have to be security experts to use
> computers on the Internet any more than they should have to be
> automotive experts to drive a car on the road.

There is a difference between being an expert and obtaining the basic 
knowledge required to safely operate a vehicle - ON WHICH YOUR LIFE DEPENDS!  
Of course, you can depend on others for that knowledge - you can have your 
car DRIVEN and examined by a competent mechanic and you can contract 
security on your computer to an expert or purchase software to do same for 
you.  But you are responsible for the security of your computer.    Of 
course when you buy the computer or operating system, you are also 
responsible for knowing what its security is or isn't.  If your operating 
system doesn't live up to its manufacturers claims, then that is an issue to 
take up with them.  
mgg