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Article #1093Re: ISPs can easily decrease net abuse
From: Laurent
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:14
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:14
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Juergen Nieveler wrote: > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: > >> With private address spaces and good routers with NAT, A >> lot of businesses can operate with just a couple of >> internet adresses. > > Unless they want to use VoIP or something else that > doesn't really work with NAT. NAT has already killed the > SpeakFreely-Project... NAT kills many, MANY things. It almost cost us instant-messaging and IRC file-sharing. Now these can all "somewhat" work... >> Also, consider some of the huge blocks that were >> allocated to a few companies early on. Digital Compaq >> and HP each had their huge own block of IP adresses. HP >> now has all of those, even though HP today has nowhere >> near the same number of employees that the individual >> companies had. > > Just think of the huge Class-A-chunks given to the US > Army... every rifle has it's own IP. Wait, maybe they > already planned for Landwarrior even back then :-) Wasn't it the other way around? Like the army gave to ARIN most of the address space except this huge class-a chunk? (I'm not sure how the handover from DARPA to other agencies went along the years, but since the 'Internet' was a military project at first, I'm thinking it's them that gave us the address space they don't want) >> Every appliance and vehicle could have its own IP >> address. So when you plug your fridge into your home LAN >> it would have its own public IP address, a bit like its >> serial number. > > Hence the invention of UPnP. Of course, you'll need to > install a firewall on your fridge to prevent hackers from > breaking into it :-) "DAMMIT! Honey we got hacked! Someone stole our mayounnaise!" Laurent
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