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In article <"swan.cl.ca.438:18.11.92.14.10.47"@cl.cam.ac.uk> Michael.Hinchey@computer-lab.cambridge.ac.uk (Michael Hinchey) writes:

>  rosalind@logcam.co.uk (Rosalind Barden) writes :

> |When Mike states that 'lots of "ladies" attended the dinner', this is
> |not quite accurate.

> Sorry, "lots" was perhaps an exaggeration, but I was pleased that quite
> a number of ladies did attend.

> |There were few women at the conference and all those that I spoke to were
> |angry that women can still be treated this way.

> It was not only the ladies who were angry; I thin the vast majority of
> the gentlemen at the conference felt this way too.  

It may well be -- but certainly it wasn't evident.  Darell Inc had a
lot to say about almost anything in his humorous talk, but nothing
about this common feeling of the women and "the vast majority of the
gentlemen" present.  

On a similar point: Rosalind did (rightly) object to the use of the
term "chairman" for her chairing one of the sessions.  But I didn't
see any of the men chairing raising a similar objection.  The use of
the term "chairman" is sexist no matter if the person chairing is male
or female.

-hossein
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In article <1992Dec23.173641.1599@fmg.bt.co.uk> ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:
>In article <"swan.cl.ca.438:18.11.92.14.10.47"@cl.cam.ac.uk> Michael.Hinchey@computer-lab.cambridge.ac.uk (Michael Hinchey) writes:
>
>>  rosalind@logcam.co.uk (Rosalind Barden) writes :
>
>> |When Mike states that 'lots of "ladies" attended the dinner', this is
>> |not quite accurate.
>
>> Sorry, "lots" was perhaps an exaggeration, but I was pleased that quite
>> a number of ladies did attend.
>
>> |There were few women at the conference and all those that I spoke to were
>> |angry that women can still be treated this way.
>
>> It was not only the ladies who were angry; I thin the vast majority of
>> the gentlemen at the conference felt this way too.  
>

I really can't see the point of getting ANGRY at something like this.
I think that women should be allowed to be members in exactly the same way
as men, but getting ANGRY that they aren''t is a complete and utter
waste of time.  ANGER is a self-defeating emotion and if you feel
ANGRY you won't be most effective in altering the situation.  Negative
emotions like ANGER impair your ability to solve problems or act
efficiently or effectively or think rationally.  So let's get rid
of all this pointless ANGER.

Antoni Diller

In article <BzrH2H.6L@cs.bham.ac.uk> ard@cs.bham.ac.uk (Antoni Diller) writes:

   ( following up:

     lots of stuff involving some old-fashioned dull male-oriented 
     club which should have been closed down years ago or at least
     made into something a little less pointless, like a hostel for
     the homeless, a creche, or a shopping mall 

   )

   I really can't see the point of getting ANGRY at something like this.
   I think that women should be allowed to be members in exactly the same way
   as men, but getting ANGRY that they aren''t is a complete and utter
   waste of time.  ANGER is a self-defeating emotion and if you feel
   ANGRY you won't be most effective in altering the situation.  Negative
   emotions like ANGER impair your ability to solve problems or act
   efficiently or effectively or think rationally.  So let's get rid
   of all this pointless ANGER.

   Antoni Diller


Okay, thanks Antoni... and over to the rest of the newsgroup... anyone out
there like to suggest ways of releasing our ANGER?  any useful tips for
GETTING RID of this negative, pointless, self-defeating EMOTION?

Personally, I find that flinging copies of "Z, AN INTRODUCTION TO FORMAL
METHODS" across the room does the trick.  :)

lots of love

Jim

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