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Started by /G=Owen/S=Smith/O=SJ-Research/AD...
Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:02
Re: TCP/IP (nsf)
Author: /G=Owen/S=Smith/O=SJ-Research/AD...
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:02
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:02
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CDLatham@cen.ex.ac.uk (C.D.Latham) wrote: >In article <Bz000E.3rt@cen.ex.ac.uk> MMBCorle@cen.ex.ac.uk (Martin Corley) >writes: >> I've just installed TCP/IP / Atomwide series III card / A5000, and >> it's working _fine_, apart from 1 small niggle: >> >> When moving a directory _back_ from my NFS filespace to ADFS, I get a >> constant "already exists" warning from the filer -- for directories >> and application directories _only_. Try playing around with your Filer Options. I recommend having Verbose and Newer on, and Confirm and Force off. I don't remember having any problems with NFS with these settings. Timestamps can be a problem with NFS though. I believe that across NFS time can be represented to the nearest thousandth of a second, whereas on RISC OS it's to the nearest hundredth, and then there's the resolution of time as stored on disc on the Unix system to bear in mind (you don't say what flavour of Unix it is). There is some tradeoff happening. I can't remember exactly, but I believe that in one direction files/directories which ought to be regarded as having the same timestamp don't. It's_probably copying from NFS to RISC OS - the NFS files may be regarded as being newer when they aren't, which might give the warnings you quote above without the right Filer options. >Very strange - it doesn't happen with Acorn Ethernet I, A5000 and >RISC OS 3.0 - I just tried to be certain too. It seems that there >slightly different versions of the Internet module in circulation >and you need to get the right one for your system. I think that the >Atomwide card needs Internet 1.05 plus a couple of other little modules >to make it go. There are only really two versions of the TCP/IP suite Internet module: those that support plug in device driver modules (Internet 1.03 and later "DCI Compatible") and those that don't (the original 1.01). All other minor variants on these are patches applied to them with !Patch. 1.04 and 1.05 are simply patched versions of 1.03, and there are also patched versions of 1.01 which still have the number 1.01 - !Patch can tell you if it's been patched or not. The patches are very important - make sure you're running patched versions (and a patched NFS - version 1.02) even on RISC OS 2. There are also the AUN Internet modules. I am not familiar with these. Owen.
Re: TCP/IP
Author: C.D.Latham
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:47
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:47
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In article <ARM200-921214130212-4DA1D7C*@MHS> /G=Owen/S=Smith/O=SJ-Research/ADMD=INTERSPAN/C=GB/@mhs-relay.ac.uk writes: [ ... about TCP/IP software problems ... ] Yes, you are partly right there Owen in that there are several patched versions on the internet module and the original unpatched one all with the same number 1.01! Finding the right one to go with a given combination of ethernet board, nfs and vt220 is a time consuming business as I found out the other day helping a colleague. Added to that the Acorn ethernet III boards are almost, but not quite identical to the Atomwide ones. We got it going in the end by trying every possible permutation but were not helped by a very nasty interaction with RISC OS 3.1 and !Protracker which I wrote about the other day. Everything fails with internal errors and its impossible to mark the ethernet interface `up' afterwards. Only a delete-power-on reset will fix it - anything less severe results in more internal errors. There are still quite a few TCP/IP bugs and bits of bad design which I have moaned [directly] to Acorn about for the last year. Here's one for starters:- Run !VT220 and !NFSFiler. Open a telnet connection with !VT220 and login somewhere. Now mount a directory with !NFSFiler and notice that the cursor vanishes in the vt220 window with no obvious way of getting it back. Clicking on the window gives it the input focus but no cursor. Now if you think that is odd, select something in the window, click menu and observe that option Select->Type is greyed out and inoperative! Click select to clear the selection and the cursor magically returns. Now everything works as it should. The TCP/IP manuals are rather weak in some places; for example setting up the NFS printer doesn't have the vital instruction that you must export directory /var/spool/pcnfs to your Acorn machines. Ftp is implemented very poorly - a filer style interface would be best or at least the option of command line operation instead of those messy menus. The menu doesn't stay up with click adjust sometimes when it ought to which makes it even worse. I could go on but won't bore you with the other niggles. The TCP/IP software is nearly very good but just misses the mark somehow. It certainly isn't one of Acorn's best efforts which are usually excellent in my opinion. --Christopher.
Re: TCP/IP
Author: Derek McAuley
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:06
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:06
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> Added to > that the Acorn ethernet III boards are almost, but not quite identical > to the Atomwide ones. I think Acorn and Atomwide cards only differ in the way any two Ethernet cards are required to -- different Ethernet addresses.
Re: TCP/IP
Author: Andy Mell
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:44
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:44
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In article <BzGryI.74s@cen.ex.ac.uk> CDLatham@cen.ex.ac.uk (C.D.Latham) writes: >business as I found out the other day helping a colleague. Added to >that the Acorn ethernet III boards are almost, but not quite identical >to the Atomwide ones. Really? In what way are they different? I always thought they were exactly the same, and even share the same RisciX device driver. A -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Mell, Applied Physics Department, | andy@santafe.edu University of Hull, Hull, HU7 6RX | amell@nyx.cs.du.edu England. | torq@gnu.ai.mit.edu
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