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Re: TCP/IP (nsf)
#617
Author: /G=Owen/S=Smith/O=SJ-Research/AD...
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:02
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CDLatham@cen.ex.ac.uk (C.D.Latham) wrote:

>In article <Bz000E.3rt@cen.ex.ac.uk> MMBCorle@cen.ex.ac.uk (Martin Corley)
>writes:

>> I've just installed TCP/IP / Atomwide series III card / A5000, and
>> it's working _fine_, apart from 1 small niggle:
>>
>> When moving a directory _back_ from my NFS filespace to ADFS, I get a
>> constant "already exists" warning from the filer -- for directories
>> and application directories _only_.

Try playing around with your Filer Options. I recommend having Verbose and
Newer on, and Confirm and Force off. I don't remember having any problems
with NFS with these settings. Timestamps can be a problem with NFS though. I
believe that across NFS time can be represented to the nearest thousandth of
a second, whereas on RISC OS it's to the nearest hundredth, and then there's
the resolution of time as stored on disc on the Unix system to bear in mind
(you don't say what flavour of Unix it is). There is some tradeoff
happening. I can't remember exactly, but I believe that in one direction
files/directories which ought to be regarded as having the same timestamp
don't. It's_probably copying from NFS to RISC OS - the NFS files may be
regarded as being newer when they aren't, which might give the warnings you
quote above without the right Filer options.

>Very strange - it doesn't happen with Acorn Ethernet I, A5000 and
>RISC OS 3.0 - I just tried to be certain too.  It seems that there
>slightly different versions of the Internet module in circulation
>and you need to get the right one for your system.  I think that the
>Atomwide card needs Internet 1.05 plus a couple of other little modules
>to make it go.

There are only really two versions of the TCP/IP suite Internet module:
those that support plug in device driver modules (Internet 1.03 and later
"DCI Compatible") and those that don't (the original 1.01). All other minor
variants on these are patches applied to them with !Patch. 1.04 and 1.05 are
simply patched versions of 1.03, and there are also patched versions of 1.01
which still have the number 1.01 - !Patch can tell you if it's been patched
or not. The patches are very important - make sure you're running patched
versions (and a patched NFS - version 1.02) even on RISC OS 2.

There are also the AUN Internet modules. I am not familiar with these.

Owen.
Re: TCP/IP
#698
Author: C.D.Latham
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:47
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In article <ARM200-921214130212-4DA1D7C*@MHS> /G=Owen/S=Smith/O=SJ-Research/ADMD=INTERSPAN/C=GB/@mhs-relay.ac.uk writes:

[ ... about TCP/IP software problems ... ]

Yes, you are partly right there Owen in that there are several patched
versions on the internet module and the original unpatched one all
with the same number 1.01!  Finding the right one to go with a given
combination of ethernet board, nfs and vt220 is a time consuming
business as I found out the other day helping a colleague.  Added to
that the Acorn ethernet III boards are almost, but not quite identical
to the Atomwide ones.

We got it going in the end by trying every possible permutation but
were not helped by a very nasty interaction with RISC OS 3.1 and
!Protracker which I wrote about the other day.  Everything fails with
internal errors and its impossible to mark the ethernet interface `up'
afterwards.  Only a delete-power-on reset will fix it - anything less
severe results in more internal errors.

There are still quite a few TCP/IP bugs and bits of bad design which I
have moaned [directly] to Acorn about for the last year.  Here's one
for starters:-

Run !VT220 and !NFSFiler.  Open a telnet connection with !VT220 and
login somewhere.  Now mount a directory with !NFSFiler and notice that
the cursor vanishes in the vt220 window with no obvious way of getting
it back.  Clicking on the window gives it the input focus but no
cursor.  Now if you think that is odd, select something in the window,
click menu and observe that option Select->Type is greyed out and
inoperative!  Click select to clear the selection and the cursor
magically returns.  Now everything works as it should.

The TCP/IP manuals are rather weak in some places; for example setting
up the NFS printer doesn't have the vital instruction that you must
export directory /var/spool/pcnfs to your Acorn machines.  Ftp is
implemented very poorly - a filer style interface would be best or at
least the option of command line operation instead of those messy
menus.  The menu doesn't stay up with click adjust sometimes when it
ought to which makes it even worse.

I could go on but won't bore you with the other niggles.  The TCP/IP
software is nearly very good but just misses the mark somehow.  It
certainly isn't one of Acorn's best efforts which are usually
excellent in my opinion.

--Christopher.
Re: TCP/IP
#699
Author: Derek McAuley
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:06
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> Added to
> that the Acorn ethernet III boards are almost, but not quite identical
> to the Atomwide ones.

I think Acorn and Atomwide cards only differ in the way any two Ethernet cards
are required to  -- different Ethernet addresses.
Re: TCP/IP
#717
Author: Andy Mell
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:44
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In article <BzGryI.74s@cen.ex.ac.uk> CDLatham@cen.ex.ac.uk (C.D.Latham) writes:

>business as I found out the other day helping a colleague.  Added to
>that the Acorn ethernet III boards are almost, but not quite identical
>to the Atomwide ones.

Really? In what way are they different? I always thought they were exactly
the same, and even share the same RisciX device driver.

A



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