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Info-Atari16 Digest   Thursday, March 26, 1987   Volume 87 : Issue 144

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                   Re: Adding another Hard Drive??
           Re: Caution with S&S Wholesalers of Miami Beach
                 Bug in OSS Pascal memavail function
             Re: Extension boards for the new Mega Ataris
                    Re: help! vro_cpyfm, vrt_cpyfm
                   Re: Adding another Hard Drive??
             How big is displayed screen on Atare SM124?
                          How to get started
                               uuslave
                     Re: a few questions/whatever
                        Re: Flaming Atari....
                  Re: moving across the ocean - (nf)
                      Emacs 3.8b bugs on the way
                         Fortran notes (long)

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Date: 20 Mar 87 18:39:14 GMT
From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Alex Leavens)
Subject: Re: Adding another Hard Drive??
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

in article <694@viper.UUCP>, john@viper.UUCP (John Stanley) says:
>
> In article <1000@imagen.UUCP> turner@imagen.UUCP (D'arc Angel) writes:
>  >in article <685@viper.UUCP>, john@viper.UUCP (John Stanley) says:
>  >+ In article <659@atari.UUCP> dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer) writes:
>  >+  >one drive per controller.  And naturally, Atari does not
>  >+  >encourage or condone such modifications to the hardware....
>  >+
>  >+ Well, I suppose that's suppost to be helpful??
>  >+
>  >+ People are asking serious questions about how to expand their storage
>  >+ and all you can say is "Atari doesn't encourage it...."?

>  >............    I have never
>  >seen, nor do i think that i will ever see, a company that encourages
>  >ramifications are that if the company in any way, shape, or form
>  >condones such behavior then they are liable for any damage done by
>  >the user.

> The user who asked the original question was trying to get some advice
> on how to get two or more H-disks up and running on a single ST.  He did
> ask about the possibility of hacking-onto an existing Atari or Supra
> (don't remember which) drive, but that wasn't the main point...  He
> needs more disk space.


  You can, indeed, hook up more than one SH204 to an Atari ST, but it's a
pain.  You'll have to make your own hydra headed cable (two hard drive
cables into one), that's the hard part.  The easy part is opening up your
second drive and flipping the drive unit select switch that's on the
board right next to the DMA plug.  Flip the switch to indicate that
it's drive 1, and not drive 0.  Then hook up both drives, and if you've
wired your cable right, you're done.

  A caveat, however--if you have an early ST, the DMA chip in the ST may
have trouble driving the loads of two SH204's.  This is why we don't
particularly recommend this option.


--
--alex @ Atari                  {sun,lll-lcc,imagen}!atari!dyer
BIX: alexl.          GEnie:ALEXLEAVENS    AtariCorp:(408)-745-2006

"Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers."

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Date: 21 Mar 87 06:43:08 GMT
From: ucsdhub!jack!man!wolf!malice@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu  ( malice )
Subject: Re: Caution with S&S Wholesalers of Miami Beach
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

>

> I realize that this may not necessarily be appropriate, but for all those
> poor souls getting shafted by various companies (blacpatch, S&S) I would like
> to recommend Lyco Marketing & Consultants (or something like that). Of course
> I have no connection with them other than an extremely satisfied customer
> on several occassions.

I just (tonight) got my 1040ST from Lyco. They are great. Nice discounts and
nice service. Recommended if you plan to go mail-order, and maybe if you
aren't. Their order number is 1-800-233-8760.

[message really sent by billw@wolf on another's account]

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 87 13:43:28 est
From: Eric Terrell <terrell@ohio-state.ARPA>
To: info-atari16@su-score.arpa
Subject: Bug in OSS Pascal memavail function


There's an interesting problem with the OSS Pascal memavail function.

The value returned by this function does not increase after the dispose
procedure has returned some memory to the dynamic heap.  The value
only changes (decreases) following a call to the new procedure, or when
the os allocates some memory.

When I first noticed this, I assumed that dispose simply didn't return
memory to the heap.  In fact it does, but the value returned by memavail
does not reflect this.

To ascertain that dispose does in fact return memory to the heap, I wrote
a test program that repeatedly allocates and frees memory.  It worked fine.

The solution to this problem is, I suppose, to keep track of available
memory manually when using the dynamic heap.

Terrell

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Date: 21 Mar 87 14:20:14 GMT
From: amdahl!meccts!viper!john@ames.arpa  (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: Extension boards for the new Mega Ataris
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <442@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> braner@batcomputer.UUCP writes:
 >
 >I sure hope there will be a 68020/68881 card for the MegaST, since the TT
 >seems a long way off.  If Atari will not make one, a third party should!
 >
 >- Moshe Braner

Agreed!

So when is the Branner Microsystems 68020 expansion board going to be
available? :)  I, for one, would probably buy it sight unseen...

---
John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP)
Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems
UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john

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Date: 21 Mar 87 14:44:22 GMT
From: amdahl!meccts!viper!john@ames.arpa  (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: help! vro_cpyfm, vrt_cpyfm
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <1987Mar18.014408.23167@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu>
pete@gpu.utcs.UUCP (Peter Santangeli) writes:
 >
 >[well written description of vro_cpyform...]
 >

 >...(vro_cpyfm is similar, so I will stick with vro_cpyform)....

Mind telling us what the differences are (if any)?

 >    "pxyarray" is a standard GEM input array which describes the
 >offsets and sizes of the rectangles within each memory area described by
 >the MFDB's that will be transfered.

You give enough details for all the -other- parameters that someone could
use the function without needing further documention.  How about describing
pxyarray so other people will know enough to use it??
(Why tell people just enough to -almost- be able to use it?)

---
John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP)
Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems
UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john

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Date: 21 Mar 87 15:05:07 GMT
From: amdahl!meccts!viper!john@ames.arpa  (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: Adding another Hard Drive??
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <679@atari.UUCP> leavens@atari.UUCP (Alex Leavens) writes:
 >
 >  You can, indeed, hook up more than one SH204 to an Atari ST, but it's a
 >pain.  You'll have to make your own hydra headed cable (two hard drive
 >cables into one), that's the hard part.  The easy part is opening up your
 >second drive and flipping the drive unit select switch that's on the
 >board right next to the DMA plug.  Flip the switch to indicate that
 >it's drive 1, and not drive 0.  Then hook up both drives, and if you've
 >wired your cable right, you're done.
 >
 >  A caveat, however--if you have an early ST, the DMA chip in the ST may
 >have trouble driving the loads of two SH204's.  This is why we don't
 >particularly recommend this option.
 >

Bravo!  This is exactly the kind of answer I appreceate!  Thank you Alex.

One minor point...  What has to be done (if anything) to the HD driver
on the ST (or the other utilities for that matter) to get them to
realize there's additional disk space out there?

Also, is it possible to do this with an Atari HD and a Supra and then
which HD driver would one use?  (Not holding my breath on this one, I
mainly curious about just how compatable the Supra and Atari hard
disks are...  I own a Supra and it would be nice if I wanted to expand
if I could buy an Atari HD if I wanted to...)

 >"Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers."

(chuckle!)

---
John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP)
Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems
UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john

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Date: 21 Mar 87 04:10:18 GMT
From: ihnp4!homxb!genesis!odyssey!jcs@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (j.c.schwebel)
Subject: How big is displayed screen on Atare SM124?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I just bought an Atari SM124 monochrome monitor for the 1040 ST
and am a little disappointed by the size of the displayed screen area.
The physical screen is 6 7/8" by 9 1/2" but on my monitor the actual
displayed image is 4 7/8" by 8 1/16".
The vertical distance seems a little small.
Could anyone tell me if this is standard or if my monitor needs adjustment;
if so, are there adjustment controls inside the box?
Thanks,
logical:    John C. Schwebel
physical:    HR2F030
            AT&T Bell Labs
            480 Red Hill Rd.
            Middletown, NJ 07748
voice:        (201)615-4782
electronic:    odyssey!jcs

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Mail-From: G.ABRAMS created at 21-Mar-87 14:20:42
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 87 11:00:42 EST
From: Herbert Goertzel <goertzel@dca-ems>
Subject: How to get started
To: info-atari16-request @ score.stanford.edu
ReSent-Date: Sat 21 Mar 87 14:20:42-PST
ReSent-From:  Info-Atari Moderator <G.ABRAMS@Score.Stanford.EDU>
ReSent-To: info-atari16@Score.Stanford.EDU

I've just purchased a 1040STf with the atari hard disk and the color monitor.
In reading through the messages I discover there is a great deal that I don't
know anything about.  Simple things like

a.  What is the program that takes the programs included in messages or in
info-atari and decodes them so they can be run?  How can I get it?

b.  What repositories exist for atari 16 bit information and how do  I arrange
to get access?

c.  Do you have a distribution list for messages on atari 16 bit info and if
so how do I get added to it?

d.  Is there a bibliography of useful books I can track down so I have a chance
of understanding my new box?

e.  Do you have a starter kit?  I'm reasonably comfortable with my Zenith 248
but a real novice with the ST.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Herb Goertzel (goertzel@dca-ems.arpa)