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From: Ravi Subrahmanyan
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1988 20:12
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Date: 20 Sep 88 14:59:31 GMT
From: nunki.usc.edu!sal5.usc.edu!rjung@oberon.usc.edu  (Robert allen Jung)
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Subject: Re: spectra 128
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In article <8809191251.AA15678@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> nfrech@ALMSA-1.ARPA ("Norman R. Frech") writes:
>... is it absolutely necessary to have
>a monochome monitor?  

  You don't need a monochrome monitor for the Spectre 128, but it looks nicer.
If you're using a color monitor, then grey shades are used for the screen, and
the locations of the pixels are mapped to different shades (since the Mac
monitor has more pixels vertically than the ST's medium resolution has). You
can also hit a key and get a fully-mapped view of the top/bottom half of the
screen.


						--R.J.
						B-)

P.S. This is the same trick the Magic Sac uses for its color monitor support.

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Date: 21 Sep 88 12:44:23 GMT
From: steinmetz!mazda!perley@itsgw.rpi.edu  (Donald P Perley)
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Subject: Re: Boycott Apple Again -- Now about Suns
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In article <620@bnlux0.bnl.gov> drs@bnlux0.UUCP (David R. Stampf) writes:
>In article <406@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu> hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) writes:
>>Lots and lots of problems, no single one of which renders a Sun totally
>>unusable, but altogether adding up to too many headaches. Bad network
>>support, flaky network services, etc. etc. etc... For a company whose
>>motto is "the network is the computer" it's pretty disgusting how
>>poorly their network software runs.


> I really think that Howard's opinions are in the
>minority viewpoint.  So much so in fact, that it would be interesting to
>find out what he *would* recommend to his worst enemies as an alternative.

I know I wouldn't reccomend a Sun to my worst enemy.  What WOULD I recomend
to my worst enemy?   If I told you that here, I would probably make
more enemies.


-don perley
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Date: 20 Sep 88 11:43:29 GMT
From: eagle!icdoc!dcw@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Duncan C White)
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK.
Subject: Another TurboDos problem
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Recently, there have have been several messages describing some
more problems with TurboDos... I would like to describe another problem:

A friend of mine [without net access] recently bought Metacomco Pascal-2.
This uses the same [GST] linker as does Metacomco Lattice C 3.04.01,
a product which I have bought.

Well, when any Pascal program [even one as simple as "hello world"] is compiled
on an SH204 with TurboDos running, the linker reckons that the .bin file
produced by the compiler is not a valid linker format file..

After much experimentation, we found that rebooting without TurboDos
and recompiling fixed the problem...
this is irritating, however, to say the least... does anyone know why
this should happen?
All I could think of was that Pascal-2 doesn't close the .bin file down
properly??
[Whereas Lattice C does, presumably?]

Can anyone explain what's happening here?

I will happily summarise any replies I get...

	Thanks..
		Duncan

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Date: 19 Sep 88 11:16:12 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!strath-cs!glasgow!whitbye@uunet.uu.net  (Elliot Maxwell Whitby)
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Yes it is unfortunately possible to write to write protected disks.
This is a great idea for software protection, which I personally don't
believe in, but you do get the unscrupulous people who are that bad that
they will ruin everybody else's fun by writing pointless viusses which are
no use to absolutely anyonee

ps		Borf is here.
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Date: 19 Sep 88 11:59:54 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!strath-cs!glasgow!whitbye@uunet.uu.net  (Elliot Maxwell Whitby)
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Recently I at last managed to pick up a copy of Moria for the ST from
comp.binaries.atari.st but unfortumately I don't seem to be able to
uudecode it properly.
	When I uudecode the files it comes up with the error short file
and when I cat the relevant files together it comes up with the error
no last line.
It has taken me so long to get this, and now that I have it I can't use it
Can anybody tell me what I am doing wrong please.
ps Any chance of someone outside Europe replying to this message anyway,
because I am not sure I am getting to anywhere outside Europe let alone
ouside the UK.

pps
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Date: 20 Sep 88 11:45:13 GMT
From: eagle!icdoc!dcw@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Duncan C White)
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK.
Subject: A Hard disk problem
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Hi there everyone,

I have a problem with my hard disk: at the recent Personal Computer [World]
Show in London, I bought the Hisoft FTL Modula-2 compiler for the ST.
[Show price, 90 quid including source level debugger and profiler and make
and resource editor]

I was happily installing this onto my SH204 hard disk, using the Desktop
to copy disk 3 of 4 when the blasted ST collapsed in a heap..
Vertical lines appeared on the screen, and I had to power off..

Sadly, the result is that the \M2\FTL directory I was installing into
is totally corrupted: if I open it with the Desktop the ST crashes again,
complete with vertical lines.
If, instead, I use Gulam and cd into the FTL subdirectory, the machine doesn't
crash, but ls reveals total garbage..

The rest of the disk is fine however.

So, what I want to do is remove the garbaged directory and start again.
What I thought might be possible is the following:

	Recursively follow the directory structure, [except \M2\FTL of course]
	and follow each cluster used by each file:

		Mark in an array which clusters/sectors are used.

	Then, when I have finished the traversal, blank the FAT entry for
	every cluster/sector which the array marks as unused.

Now the crunch: I don't know enough about the FAT format to do this.
The only information I have is from an MS-DOS book "Tricks of the MS-DOS
Masters" which helpfully says "the format of the FAT is beyond the scope
of this book"... it recommends the "MS-DOS Developer's Guide" which I do not
have.

So, I wonder, would anyone care to tell me the format of the FAT table,
and any other information I might need [partition table, boot sector??]
or better yet, does anyone have source doing something similar to what
I want to do ???

[C preferred, Pascal, Modula-2 and 68k assembler acceptable, 8086 assembler
deplored but ok, if it's all you've got..]


If you care to mail me, I'll gladly post a summary of anything I get..
[post only if you can't find a path to me]

Thanks in advance, everyone...

	Duncan.

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Date: 20 Sep 88 16:50:23 GMT
From: mcvax!hp4nl!philmds!leo@uunet.uu.net  (Leo de Wit)
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In article <1103@fredonia.UUCP> sale5312@fredonia.UUCP (Marty Saletta) writes:
>  Yes,I'd like to know if some fellow ST user who has a Star Micronics
> SG-10 printer has been able to change the character set for the Near
> Letter Quality (NLQ) mode.  I'm not even sure if it's possible.  I have
> some config programs and drivers for the printer,but none to change the
> char set.  Any help?  Thanks in advance.

A while ago I posted a NLQPS (Near Letter Quality & Proportional
Spacing) program to one of the comp.{binaries,sources}.atari.st
newsgroups. It works very well (if I may say so myself 8-) with my old
Star Gemini 10X printer, which doesn't have an NLQ mode. It does a
double scan of each text line in graphics mode with a very tiny
linefeed inbetween (1/144 inch). The PS option can be turned off (e.g.
for listings, tables).

An older version had the capability to load the characterset used
dynamically from a file. I removed that option, thinking that there
would be no interest.  If you (and perhaps some other people too) would
like that, I can add back that option. In that case there has to be
added a font editor too so you can easily define a new NLQ font. Ah,
perhaps a two phase project...

         Leo.

P.S. To be able to use the NLQPS program, you must have a printer that
can do double density graphics, and linefeeds of half a dot distance
(1/144 inch), but I think today most printers can do that.
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Date: 21 Sep 88 14:56:26 GMT
From: nunki.usc.edu!sal6.usc.edu!rjung@oberon.usc.edu  (Robert allen Jung)
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <11830008@hpldola.HP.COM> ritchie@hpldola.HP.COM (Dave Ritchie) writes:
>  I was looking through one of the Amiga rags he other day and - surprise -
>Soft Logik is doing a PP for the Amiga. Isn't that strange?

  Nope. Quality software eventually gets translated for lesser machines. B-)

						--R.J.
						B-)

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Date: 21 Sep 88 18:03:28 GMT
From: orange.cis.ohio-state.edu!amra@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Nasir K Amra)
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I am having problems trying to dial the modem from uniterm v20d. I set the number
in the dial directory and then press <alt> 1 to dial the number, however although
I get 'ATD2923112' on the screen, it doesn't dial up the number. Can anyone help
me here?
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Date: 21 Sep 88 16:51:28 GMT
From: oliveb!3comvax!bridge2!ngg@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Norman Goodger)
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In article <881@viscous>, sethk@sco.COM (Seth I Katz) writes:
> chatterchatterchatter<2279@silver.bacs.indiana.edu>chatterchatterstowe@silver.UUCP (holly):
> | 
> Ok, everyone and their uncle has been clever enough to repeat the point that
> GEnie never claimed that they didn't charge for download time.
> 
> I'd like to see someone stand up for that piece of garbage mailer of theirs.
> 
> BTW, I don't know how rich you folks are, but I think $5 an hour is not
> cheap. Do we base our standards on Compu$erve?
> -s
Yes a variety of comparsions are made to CIS and their $12.50 plus surcharges
in some cases for 1200 baud connections. This does make $5.00 much cheaper.
And Genie provides many of the same services, and some CIS doesn't and of
course vice/versa.

As far as GEnie mail and the BB software, there is room for improvement,
but CIS could use some to, either method has its drawbacks if looked at
very closely. The thing about Genie is you need to take the time to learn
how to use the software effectively, there are a lot of options and it
can be quite powerful if you learn to use them to your advantage...this
means reading the manual, and getting out there and just spend some time
seeing what the commands do, and ask questions if something does not
work like you expected....most of the problems it appears is that users
of Genie that have a hard time using it come from not reading the manual,
or not taking that couple minutes to ask the questions to learn how to use it.

Norm Goodger
3Com
Sysop - MacInfo BBS @415-795-8862
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