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Started by Charles Hedrick
Thu, 22 Oct 1987 06:33
problem with RARP in newest celerity release
Author: Charles Hedrick
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1987 06:33
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1987 06:33
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We have found a fairly serious problem with 3.4.88. It attempts to implement RARP. This is a facility by which diskless machines can find out their Internet address when they are booting. RARP is used by Suns as part of their boot process. It is also used by our network gateways when they boot. On the Sun, at least in SunOS 3.2, RARP is implemented as a program. This program reads a file, /etc/ethers, which contains a list of hosts for which the machine is prepared to respond to RARP requests, and their Internet and Ethernet addresses. This approach works fine (though the implementation has a problem that causes it not to work for us; but that's another story). Celerity chose to implement RARP in the kernel. Instead of reading /etc/ethers, the kernel RARP support uses the kernel's ARP table. From external behavior, it looks like RARP takes the Ethernet address, looks for an entry in the ARP table with this Ethernet address, and returns its Internet address. Unfortunately, the ARP table is not intended to provide mappings in this direction. It is designed to go from Internet address to Ethernet address. If you are using proxy ARP, using the table in reverse will result in bad information. For example, our gateways use proxy ARP. This is a technique by which gateways respond to ARP requests for hosts on the other side of the gateway. Thus there are typically several entries in the ARP table containing the Ethernet address of the gateway. If we reboot the gateway, when it is coming up, it issues an RARP request. The Celerities will respond to this request by giving the Internet address of some system for which the gateway had been forwarding packets. Thus the gateway comes up with a completely bogus Internet address. In my opinion, it is a bad practice to do RARP based on the ARP table. Indeed it is probably a bad idea to do RARP at all unless it is requested. I think the approach of a user-mode utility program is a better one. I have reported this bug to Celerity. I'm posting it here because it can create symptoms elsewhere on the network that are nearly impossible to trace. Now you are warned... The other disadvantage of the using the ARP table is that when a whole room of machines is coming up after a power failure, all the ARP tables will start out empty. In order to handle power failures, any machine that acts as an RARP server must not depend upon the table being dynamically built. Thus rc.local would have to have calls to /etc/arp to add the appropriate entries statically. So this approach does not get around the need for static tables. I think /etc/ethers is a better place for this information...
Re: problem with RARP in newest celerity release
Author: Roger B.A. Klorese
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1987 21:01
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1987 21:01
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In article <15814@topaz.rutgers.edu> hedrick@topaz.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes: >We have found a fairly serious problem with 3.4.88. To clarify, this is a release built out of source at Rutgers, based on Celerity release 3.4.77, which did indeed contain the improper RARP code. Do not confuse this with a *Celerity* 3.4.88 or later. The problem code was disabled in binary release 3.4.78 and all later 3.4 versions. RARP will be implemented fully and properly in a later release. -- ///==\\ (Your message here...) /// Roger B.A. Klorese, CELERITY (Northeast Area) \\\ 40 Speen St., Framingham, MA 01701 +1 617 872-1552 \\\==// celtics!roger@necntc.nec.com - necntc!celtics!roger
Re: problem with RARP in newest celerity release
Author: Ron McDaniels
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1987 20:00
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1987 20:00
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mea culpa! The code in if_ether.c implementing a RARP capability in the
kernel in Celerity UNIX field release 3.4.77 is not, and was not intended
to be, a general purpose implementation. It was included as a consequence
of some diskless Sun work I have been doing and became part of the release
by accident. It stayed part of the release because it wasn't supposed to
do any harm. My apologies for the difficulty it caused. Using my highly
developed 20/20 hindsight, I rather wish it hadn't gone out.
We became aware of the problem within a few days of the first installations
of 3.4.77 and we quickly released 3.4.78 with the "feature" (rhymes with
creature) disabled and distributed the corrected release to the complaining
sites.
It has always been our intention to implement and release a RARP capability
functionally equivalent to Sun's, including /etc/ethers.
An additional issue disclosed by this problem is the potential confusion
in identifying release levels for source-licensed customers. The RARP
problem existed in 3.4.77, was corrected in 3.4.78 and was reported on
the net as being in 3.4.88. We haven't gotten to 3.4.88 yet!
To avoid this confusion, I would suggest that source-license holders
adopt the convention of naming their kernels as:
'local-orgination.celerity-release-level.local-release-level',
e.g., vmunix.rutgers.3.4.77.88. This may be accomplished by setting the
'version' file in the root of the source directory to the string;
rutgers 3.4.77 88
The last field in the 'version' file is incremented by the script, 'newvers.sh'
each time a build is done, so subsequent builds will have an ascending
revision number. If you want to change the punctuation, take a look at
'newvrs.sh'.
Ron McDaniels
CELERITY COMPUTING . 9692 Via Excelencia Way . San Diego, California . 92126
(619) 271-9940 . {decvax || ucbvax || ihnp4 || philabs}!sdcsvax!celerity!ron
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Info on Celerity 6000 (please)
Author: johnw
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1987 22:57
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1987 22:57
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I (we) saw the announcement, shich sounds very exciting,
and are now *VERY* interested in finding more information!
1: Is the 60MFLOPS for the 1kx1k "any method" linpak
done in 32 or 64 bit presision ????
1.5: If Single, what are the Double rates ???
2: We *DESPARATELY* want timeings for the LLNL loop set
(24 prefered)
3: Does anyone have any timings for any other benchmarks,
specifially the "normal-LINPAK" and "DoDuc"
4: Any real numbers for *ANY* benchmarks would be appreciated!
(Yes, we'll even take drystones.....)
--
John Wardale
... {seismo | harvard | ihnp4} ! {uwvax | cs.wisc.edu} ! astroatc!johnw
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