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Hmm...if that turns out to be true, then he probably will fry.  But it
won't be just him...I'm sure the "blame game" spin machine is already
in  motion.  I'm thinking:

1)  The Piper Company will get the anal probe treatment.
2)  The ground school that taught JFK,jr. will get a-probed as well.
3)  The instructor(s) will come under suspicion.
4)  The guy who sold JFK, jr. the plane will be questioned as well.

Granted, most common-sensical people will blame pilot error/inexperience
on this tragedy and leave it at that, but you can bet the conspiracy
nuts will be out in full force in a few weeks as this finally starts to
sink in.



-- 
****

"Only God and Sierra know what the values of the AI do, and Sierra 
probably made God sign an Non-Disclosure Agreement about it. " 

-Bluevoss

Hey Blue, ever see JD here?  <snicker>

J J ?

You forgot that anyone who has EVER done maint on the plane will
be especially a-probed and probably tabloided as well.

Neal


J J wrote:
> 
> Hmm...if that turns out to be true, then he probably will fry.  But it
> won't be just him...I'm sure the "blame game" spin machine is already
> in  motion.  I'm thinking:
> 
> 1)  The Piper Company will get the anal probe treatment.
> 2)  The ground school that taught JFK,jr. will get a-probed as well.
> 3)  The instructor(s) will come under suspicion.
> 4)  The guy who sold JFK, jr. the plane will be questioned as well.
> 
> Granted, most common-sensical people will blame pilot error/inexperience
> on this tragedy and leave it at that, but you can bet the conspiracy
> nuts will be out in full force in a few weeks as this finally starts to
> sink in.
> 
> --
> ****
> 
> "Only God and Sierra know what the values of the AI do, and Sierra
> probably made God sign an Non-Disclosure Agreement about it. "
> 
> -Bluevoss


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> Hey Blue, ever see JD here?  <snicker>


Hey, Neal...yeah, I see him posting every now and then.  Still slams the
regulars on Delphi (you know about what, I'm sure). :)


> You forgot that anyone who has EVER done maint on the plane will
> be especially a-probed and probably tabloided as well.


Yes, I forgot about them as well.  There will be others, too.  Those
were just the one's that I could think of right off the top of my head. 
Who knows?  Even the family of the two deceased daughters may say
something as well...time will tell.




-- 
****

"Only God and Sierra know what the values of the AI do, and Sierra 
probably made God sign an Non-Disclosure Agreement about it. " 

-Bluevoss

My hunch is that the NTSB et. al. will find themselves under very heavy
pressure to find something besides "pilot error."  The Kennedy's are no
stranger to that kind of hardball, and none of the Kennedy sycophants in the
media seem ready or able to accept the possibility that the poor sucker just
made a mistake.  That's not the kind of legacy they're interested in
building for him, regardless of whether it is true or not.

Some aviation/writer person has already mentioned that that series of craft
had a recall sheet for their alternator belt, the loss of which would have
caused him to lose all instrumentation after 1/2 hour.  So, they're already
searching mightily for that angle.  My last thoughts on this subject are:
I'll be very suspicious if some sort of miracle mechanical problem pops up
out of the blue, but in the end that's something we will never know for
sure.

And on the slight chance that some mech failure did happen, all I can say
is, "That poor S.O.B.  That really is a pretty shitty way to go out."
However, had he stayed within his limits, (flying under clear, daytime
conditions), maybe even he would have survivied a catastrophic instrument
failure.  But I still would be a lot less critical of him than if he just
took off, succumbed to vertigo, and splashed with two people on board,
(which is what I strongly assume).

D. "Dada" MIller


Yogi Runningbear wrote in message <3795187e@news5.newsfeeds.com>...
>A call was placed to FAA 20 min. after Kennedys plane disappearance from a
>worker at Marthas Vin Airport, but the ATC person who took the call
>appeared to diss the caller. In reading the transcripts he appeared to be
>a smart ass and gave the caller a hard time. If he had taken the call
>seriously could it have been possible for a better chance to locate the
>downed plane?...and possibly find survivors?
>
>
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Heya Blue!!!

Holy moly.  I didn't make the connection with you and your quote on the
bottom until Neal spoke up.  I haven't been to Delphi in eons.  :)  Nice to
see ya.  Hope the writing's going well, better than mine, at least.   :)

D. "Dada" Miller

J J wrote in message <3795390A.81854F2F@ra.msstate.edu>...
>> Hey Blue, ever see JD here?  <snicker>
>
>
>Hey, Neal...yeah, I see him posting every now and then.  Still slams the
>regulars on Delphi (you know about what, I'm sure). :)
>
>
>> You forgot that anyone who has EVER done maint on the plane will
>> be especially a-probed and probably tabloided as well.
>
>
>Yes, I forgot about them as well.  There will be others, too.  Those
>were just the one's that I could think of right off the top of my head.
>Who knows?  Even the family of the two deceased daughters may say
>something as well...time will tell.
>
>
>
>
>--
>****
>
>"Only God and Sierra know what the values of the AI do, and Sierra
>probably made God sign an Non-Disclosure Agreement about it. "
>
>-Bluevoss

OK, Neal and D. Miller, just so I can sleep tonight I've got to make
sure this is clear...

Though I am a frequent snooper/sometimes poster on Delphi, I am NOT
Bluevoss...I do go under the handle "Blue J." though.  J.J. is the first
initials of my name.  I asked Bluevoss if I could use his witty post as
my own sig file and he kindly allowed me to do so, hence his "name" at
the end.

Just making sure you guys don't start telling me secrets or something
personal. :)


-- 
****

"Only God and Sierra know what the values of the AI do, and Sierra 
probably made God sign an Non-Disclosure Agreement about it. " 

-(I am not) Bluevoss

In article <3795187e@news5.newsfeeds.com>, Yogi Runningbear wrote:
>A call was placed to FAA 20 min. after Kennedys plane disappearance from a 
>worker at Marthas Vin Airport, but the ATC person who took the call 
>appeared to diss the caller. In reading the transcripts he appeared to be 

Your source, please? 


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In article <slrn7pbdnt.ojo.packer@shell.clark.net>,
  packer@shell.clark.net (Charles Packer) wrote:
> In article <3795187e@news5.newsfeeds.com>, Yogi Runningbear wrote:
> >A call was placed to FAA 20 min. after Kennedys plane disappearance
from a
> >worker at Marthas Vin Airport, but the ATC person who took the call
> >appeared to diss the caller. In reading the transcripts he appeared
to be
>
> Your source, please?

According to CNN, the Boston Globe broke the story.  But the
full transcript does not seem to be published, at least not
online:

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/202/metro/Pinpoint_hunt_but_no_recover
y+.shtml

--
Michael Malak
malak@claygency.com


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J J wrote:

> Hmm...if that turns out to be true, then he probably will fry.  But it
> won't be just him...I'm sure the "blame game" spin machine is already
> in  motion.  I'm thinking:
>
> 1)  The Piper Company will get the anal probe treatment.
> 2)  The ground school that taught JFK,jr. will get a-probed as well.
> 3)  The instructor(s) will come under suspicion.
> 4)  The guy who sold JFK, jr. the plane will be questioned as well.
>
> Granted, most common-sensical people will blame pilot error/inexperience
> on this tragedy and leave it at that, but you can bet the conspiracy
> nuts will be out in full force in a few weeks as this finally starts to
> sink in.

OK, let's get it started, AND have fun with it: JFKJr. was assassinated by
agents
aligned with the Trilateral Commission, the Rothschilds, Her Majesty
Elizabeth II,
Queen of the United Kingdom, and masterminded by Tinky-Winky the Teletubby.

Why was he assassinated ??? He was in reality, an agent of  the Vast,
Right-Wing
Conspiracy to Discredit the Clintons and Ban Bikini Underwear for Men:
recruited
by uber-right-wing-conspirator Arnold Schwarzenegger as part of the planned
"burrowing" into the Kennedy Clan.

<Y'know, the really funny thing is, something almost exactly like this will
no doubt
show up on alt.conspiracy by the end of the week, except THAT poster will be

serious, and also neglect to point out that Tinky-Winky is the true evil
mastermind
behind it all. . .>

Keith A. Glass <salgak@erols.com> wrote:
> OK, let's get it started, AND have fun with it: JFKJr. was assassinated by
> agents aligned with the Trilateral Commission, the Rothschilds, Her
> Majesty Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom, and masterminded by
> Tinky-Winky the Teletubby.

Nonsense, he's just finished his plastic surgery on Bora Bora, and in four
years he'll return to run for President under a new name and identity.

miguel

Yogi Runningbear <sbee100@yahoo.com> wrote in article
<3795187e@news5.newsfeeds.com>...
> A call was placed to FAA 20 min. after Kennedys plane disappearance from
a 
> worker at Marthas Vin Airport, but the ATC person who took the call 
> appeared to diss the caller. In reading the transcripts he appeared to be

> a smart ass and gave the caller a hard time. If he had taken the call 
> seriously could it have been possible for a better chance to locate the 
> downed plane?...and possibly find survivors?
> 

Yogi,

Since little John was flying at night and in hazy weather, I highly doubt
that a search could've been mounted until the next day anyway.  It would
have made no difference except maybe to recover the bodies a little more
quickly.  As it is, it took over 4 days (and nights) of searching to find
them...a few hours would not have mattered.

Having said that, I kind of agree with you and I'm sure everyone will be
searching for someone else to blame besides little John's stupidity.  After
all, the precious Kennedys can do no wrong.  And flying at night in
marginal skies with little experience while carrying two passengers could
NEVER qualify as stupid.  Besides, everyone knows that Hillary had him
bumped off because he was considering running for the NY Senate seat in
2000. ;-)

Regards,
Joel "Eagle" Mundt
32nd VFS Arctic Knights

Dont leave out Gravity, gotta blame it also.  Is there a goverment agency
responsible for it.
J J wrote in message <37952298.2D65F312@ra.msstate.edu>...
>Hmm...if that turns out to be true, then he probably will fry.  But it
>won't be just him...I'm sure the "blame game" spin machine is already
>in  motion.  I'm thinking:
>
>1)  The Piper Company will get the anal probe treatment.
>2)  The ground school that taught JFK,jr. will get a-probed as well.
>3)  The instructor(s) will come under suspicion.
>4)  The guy who sold JFK, jr. the plane will be questioned as well.
>
>Granted, most common-sensical people will blame pilot error/inexperience
>on this tragedy and leave it at that, but you can bet the conspiracy
>nuts will be out in full force in a few weeks as this finally starts to
>sink in.
>
>
>
>--
>****
>
>"Only God and Sierra know what the values of the AI do, and Sierra
>probably made God sign an Non-Disclosure Agreement about it. "
>
>-Bluevoss

"Keith A. Glass" wrote:
> 
> J J wrote:
> 
> > Hmm...if that turns out to be true, then he probably will fry.  But it
> > won't be just him...I'm sure the "blame game" spin machine is already
> > in  motion.  I'm thinking:
> >
> > 1)  The Piper Company will get the anal probe treatment.
> > 2)  The ground school that taught JFK,jr. will get a-probed as well.
> > 3)  The instructor(s) will come under suspicion.
> > 4)  The guy who sold JFK, jr. the plane will be questioned as well.
> >
> > Granted, most common-sensical people will blame pilot error/inexperience
> > on this tragedy and leave it at that, but you can bet the conspiracy
> > nuts will be out in full force in a few weeks as this finally starts to
> > sink in.
> 
> OK, let's get it started, AND have fun with it: JFKJr. was assassinated by
> agents
> aligned with the Trilateral Commission, the Rothschilds, Her Majesty
> Elizabeth II,
> Queen of the United Kingdom, and masterminded by Tinky-Winky the Teletubby.
> 
> Why was he assassinated ??? He was in reality, an agent of  the Vast,
> Right-Wing
> Conspiracy to Discredit the Clintons and Ban Bikini Underwear for Men:
> recruited
> by uber-right-wing-conspirator Arnold Schwarzenegger as part of the planned
> "burrowing" into the Kennedy Clan.
> 
> <Y'know, the really funny thing is, something almost exactly like this will
> no doubt
> show up on alt.conspiracy by the end of the week, except THAT poster will be
> 
> serious, and also neglect to point out that Tinky-Winky is the true evil
> mastermind
> behind it all. . .>


Actually Tinky-Winky was only acting at the behest of Sarah
Mclaughlan and the rest of the demons of Lilith Fair who
want to lure your children into lesbianism and satan
worship...

-- 
Annie Keitz
keitz@his.com

LOL.  No prob, JJ.  :)  Happens all the time.  That's why I started signing
D. "Dada" Miller instead of just "Dada".  Hehe.

D. "Dada" Miller
J J wrote in message <379558B7.B8A7DE40@ra.msstate.edu>...
>OK, Neal and D. Miller, just so I can sleep tonight I've got to make
>sure this is clear...
>
>Though I am a frequent snooper/sometimes poster on Delphi, I am NOT
>Bluevoss...I do go under the handle "Blue J." though.  J.J. is the first
>initials of my name.  I asked Bluevoss if I could use his witty post as
>my own sig file and he kindly allowed me to do so, hence his "name" at
>the end.
>
>Just making sure you guys don't start telling me secrets or something
>personal. :)
>
>
>--
>****
>
>"Only God and Sierra know what the values of the AI do, and Sierra
>probably made God sign an Non-Disclosure Agreement about it. "
>
>-(I am not) Bluevoss

>Actually Tinky-Winky was only acting at the behest of Sarah
>Mclaughlan and the rest of the demons of Lilith Fair who
>want to lure your children into lesbianism and satan
>worship...
>Annie Keitz


Hear Hear! This poster deserves the Pulitzer!

    -Phasor

The controller is ALWAYS the first one the blame is pinned on.  Lets face
it, he made a bad decision and payed with his life and the lives of  his
wife and in law.
Yogi Runningbear <sbee100@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3795187e@news5.newsfeeds.com...
> A call was placed to FAA 20 min. after Kennedys plane disappearance from a
> worker at Marthas Vin Airport, but the ATC person who took the call
> appeared to diss the caller. In reading the transcripts he appeared to be
> a smart ass and gave the caller a hard time. If he had taken the call
> seriously could it have been possible for a better chance to locate the
> downed plane?...and possibly find survivors?
>
>
>
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In article <7n4il5$s94$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Michael Malak wrote:
>According to CNN, the Boston Globe broke the story.  But the
>full transcript does not seem to be published, at least not
>online:
>http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/202/metro/Pinpoint_hunt_but_no_recover
>y+.shtml

Thanks for the reference. It's interesting that the FAA received
the call so soon after the radar track disappeared. Since the
call came from an airport employee on Martha's Vinyard at the
request of the people who were waiting for Kennedy there, 
he must have called ahead and told them exactly when he expected
to arrive.

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He should have filed a flight plan.

Charles Packer <packer@shell.clark.net> wrote in message
news:slrn7pe05d.jfo.packer@shell.clark.net...
> In article <7n4il5$s94$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Michael Malak wrote:
> >According to CNN, the Boston Globe broke the story.  But the
> >full transcript does not seem to be published, at least not
> >online:
> >http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/202/metro/Pinpoint_hunt_but_no_recover
> >y+.shtml
>
> Thanks for the reference. It's interesting that the FAA received
> the call so soon after the radar track disappeared. Since the
> call came from an airport employee on Martha's Vinyard at the
> request of the people who were waiting for Kennedy there,
> he must have called ahead and told them exactly when he expected
> to arrive.
>
> --
> packer@clark.net
> http://www.clark.net/pub/whatnews/whatnews.html

The autopsies on the three bodies show that they died instantly on impact, so
obviously nothing could have been done so save them.

Yogi Runningbear wrote:

> A call was placed to FAA 20 min. after Kennedys plane disappearance from a
> worker at Marthas Vin Airport, but the ATC person who took the call
> appeared to diss the caller. In reading the transcripts he appeared to be
> a smart ass and gave the caller a hard time. If he had taken the call
> seriously could it have been possible for a better chance to locate the
> downed plane?...and possibly find survivors?
>
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Gnolam <gnolam666@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>The autopsies on the three bodies show that they died instantly on impact, so
>obviously nothing could have been done so save them.
>
>Yogi Runningbear wrote:
>
>> A call was placed to FAA 20 min. after Kennedys plane disappearance from a
>> worker at Marthas Vin Airport, but the ATC person who took the call
>> appeared to diss the caller. In reading the transcripts he appeared to be
>> a smart ass and gave the caller a hard time. If he had taken the call
>> seriously could it have been possible for a better chance to locate the
>> downed plane?...and possibly find survivors?
>>
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>
>
Thats true but what if....the autospies showed they drowned after being in 
the water for an hour? The FAA guy still would have taken the careless 
attitude, how will he react now if he gets a similar call? I bet he wont 
do it again. Luckily for him they did die on impact.



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