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Started by A Whiteford
Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
Old DOS games and memory problems
Author: A Whiteford
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
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Trying to load old, many times played but still loved "Betrayal at Krondor". I keep getting a message that there's not enough memory, make a boot disk. I've tried choosing Krondor.exe file and selecting properties to configure memory through Windows98. It doesn't matter what I set the memory options to - I still keep getting the error message. I've tried setting conventional memory to 640K, my initial environment to 2096 and various levels of extended memory (currently 8,192) using HMA and MS DOS protected memory of 16,384. None of the changes seem to matter. I keep getting the same error message. When I run MEM at the DOS prompt it tells me I have 64Mb available and my conventional memory is down only 84K from the 640K. Help desperately sought to keep son happy. Thanks As an aside, my son has kept all his old games bought over years and I've tried loading a couple of others recently and had significant problems in most eg. Pirate's Gold wouldn't recognise my mouse, installing the mouse driver in the PG directory didn't work. I had to ask for help to get old drivers to install. While the mouse is working fine now thanks to drivers sent to me, the game still isn't. It now wants VESA drivers and while it will start it keeps crashing with lines across the monitor. I've got an Eagle card which shows up either as a Banshee or a Voodoo and doesn't have any problems running new games. Should I trade all his old games in - is the current PC configuration too advanced for old DOS games???? Any views on Windows98 and DOS games. However, back to "Betrayal at Krondor", if anyone can suggest a memory fix, I'd appreciate it. Thanks
Re: Old DOS games and memory problems
Author: Graham Goring
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
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Windows 95 & 98 are loathe to give up any of the base memory and you'll
find this is a real problem with older games, your best bet is to either
set up a dual boot or (as I did) but an old 486DX66, which is brilliant
as I can now play co-op Doom 2 and the like in my bedroom with a friend
sitting next to me. Really makes it work because of the covering your
friends back angle. Brilliant fun.
However, back to the subject of dual-boots. I'm not sure how easy it
is with Windows 98, tbh, but version B of W95 was a right bastard to
try it on (hence my purchase of a 486).
Graham Goring
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Re: Old DOS games and memory problems
Author: James Garvin
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
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Graham Goring wrote: > Windows 95 & 98 are loathe to give up any of the base memory and you'll > find this is a real problem with older games, your best bet is to either > set up a dual boot or (as I did) but an old 486DX66, which is brilliant > as I can now play co-op Doom 2 and the like in my bedroom with a friend > sitting next to me. Really makes it work because of the covering your > friends back angle. Brilliant fun. Ah...The halcion days of Doom2....Takes me back...Actually where DO you get older games anymore??? Seems no one is willing to give them up! > However, back to the subject of dual-boots. I'm not sure how easy it > is with Windows 98, tbh, but version B of W95 was a right bastard to > try it on (hence my purchase of a 486). There is a software package called system commander OR you can write your own...(with Win95 is a bitch...Win95 likes to take EVERYTHING and Win98 is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse) However, if you strike F8 direct after your BIOS you can boot to "DOS". You can configure your DOS boot however your want though! Just edit your autoexec.bat and config.sys and you SHOULD be able to play the old games...but Win9x just sucks rocks...can't wait until games start to be ported to Linux...*G* -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/B/H !d s+:+@ a-@ C++>++++ UL++ P+ L++>++++ E++ W--@ N++ o+ K--- w--- O- M-- V-- PS+ PE++ Y++ PGP++ t+(++) 5-- X++ R++>$ tv b+ DI+++ D++ G e+>+++ h--- r+++ y+++ A09 H+++>* P+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Re: Old DOS games and memory problems
Author: Vesa M�kel�
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
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It is not so difficult. In config.sys set emm386.exe NOEMS and load then all necessary drivers high (devicehigh= and loadhigh=). I have 604 kb free base memory under Windows 98 dos box and about 617 kb free in pure MS-DOS mode. VM
Re: Old DOS games and memory problems
Author: Graham Goring
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
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In article <3708F477.FEEFCE77@nmt.edu>, James Garvin <boot@nmt.edu>
writes
>Ah...The halcion days of Doom2....Takes me back...Actually where DO you get
>older games anymore??? Seems no one is willing to give them up!
Well, all the Doom games are available in a big box under the title
Doom Trilogy, that's where I got it. However, without wishing to
encourage piracy, a search for "abandonware ring" will reap many
rewards.
>There is a software package called system commander OR you can write your
>own...(with Win95 is a bitch...Win95 likes to take EVERYTHING and Win98 is
>MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse) However, if you strike F8 direct after your BIOS
>you can boot to "DOS". You can configure your DOS boot however your want
>though! Just edit your autoexec.bat and config.sys and you SHOULD be able
>to play the old games...but Win9x just sucks rocks...can't wait until games
>start to be ported to Linux...*G*
Ah, even if you go straight to DOS, I find that Windows 95 DOS will
completely ignore all uses of the "LOADHIGH" or "LH" command, so all
your drivers will still clog up base memory.
Graham Goring
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Re: Old DOS games and memory problems
Author: Graham Goring
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
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In article <fT6O2.233$V32.445@read2.inet.fi>, Vesa M�kel� <vesa.makela@p
p.nospam.fimnet.fi> writes
>It is not so difficult. In config.sys set emm386.exe NOEMS and load then all
>necessary drivers high (devicehigh= and loadhigh=). I have 604 kb free base
>memory under Windows 98 dos box and about 617 kb free in pure MS-DOS mode.
Hmm, I've tried the NOEMS in W95 and still had problems. Never mind,
though.
Graham Goring
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Re: Old DOS games and memory problems
Author: James Garvin
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
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Graham Goring wrote: > In article <fT6O2.233$V32.445@read2.inet.fi>, Vesa M�kel� <vesa.makela@p > p.nospam.fimnet.fi> writes > >It is not so difficult. In config.sys set emm386.exe NOEMS and load then all > >necessary drivers high (devicehigh= and loadhigh=). I have 604 kb free base > >memory under Windows 98 dos box and about 617 kb free in pure MS-DOS mode. > > Hmm, I've tried the NOEMS in W95 and still had problems. Never mind, > though. NOEMS is funky under Win95...did you try RAM? Also there are some nice boot disk makers on the older games (mostly by Lucas Art...Try Full Throttle) that are SMOOOTHHHH...they sometimes work...(sometimes not...)if you make one then copy over the autoexec.bat and the config.sys... -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/B/H !d s+:+@ a-@ C++>++++ UL++ P+ L++>++++ E++ W--@ N++ o+ K--- w--- O- M-- V-- PS+ PE++ Y++ PGP++ t+(++) 5-- X++ R++>$ tv b+ DI+++ D++ G e+>+++ h--- r+++ y+++ A09 H+++>* P+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Re: Old DOS games and memory problems
Author: Graham Goring
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:00
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In article <37090420.396119AB@nmt.edu>, James Garvin <boot@nmt.edu>
writes
>Graham Goring wrote:
>
>> In article <fT6O2.233$V32.445@read2.inet.fi>, Vesa M�kel� <vesa.makela@p
>> p.nospam.fimnet.fi> writes
>> >It is not so difficult. In config.sys set emm386.exe NOEMS and load then all
>> >necessary drivers high (devicehigh= and loadhigh=). I have 604 kb free base
>> >memory under Windows 98 dos box and about 617 kb free in pure MS-DOS mode.
>>
>> Hmm, I've tried the NOEMS in W95 and still had problems. Never mind,
>> though.
>
>NOEMS is funky under Win95...did you try RAM? Also there are some nice boot
>disk
>makers on the older games (mostly by Lucas Art...Try Full Throttle) that are
>SMOOOTHHHH...they sometimes work...(sometimes not...)if you make one then copy
>over the autoexec.bat and the config.sys...
Well, like I say, I've got a 486 for playing old stuff, now. :)
Graham Goring
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Re: Old DOS games and memory problems
Author: Michael Raiteri
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:00
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In article <y$Q94CAnnPC3Ewhs@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>,
Graham Goring <graham@dukeVOMITtastrophy.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <3708F477.FEEFCE77@nmt.edu>, James Garvin <boot@nmt.edu>
>writes
>>Ah...The halcion days of Doom2....Takes me back...Actually where DO you get
>>older games anymore??? Seems no one is willing to give them up!
>
>Well, all the Doom games are available in a big box under the title
>Doom Trilogy, that's where I got it. However, without wishing to
>encourage piracy, a search for "abandonware ring" will reap many
>rewards.
True, sometime like http://come.to/RoA
>>There is a software package called system commander OR you can write your
>>own...(with Win95 is a bitch...Win95 likes to take EVERYTHING and Win98 is
>>MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse) However, if you strike F8 direct after your BIOS
>>you can boot to "DOS". You can configure your DOS boot however your want
>>though! Just edit your autoexec.bat and config.sys and you SHOULD be able
>>to play the old games...but Win9x just sucks rocks...can't wait until games
>>start to be ported to Linux...*G*
There is a program called Boot Magic, it's put out by PowerQuest (the
makers of Partition Magic) It is the ultimate program for setting up
multiple OSs. I have a friend who has DOS 6.22, win95 and Linux.
A menu appewars at boot up and he selects which OS to boot. Easy to
use and works like a treat, well worth the money.
>Ah, even if you go straight to DOS, I find that Windows 95 DOS will
>completely ignore all uses of the "LOADHIGH" or "LH" command, so all
>your drivers will still clog up base memory.
There is a known bug in win95B aka OSR2 with emm386.exe There are
a number of supposed fixes for the problem including adding the
parameter RAM. You can read all about it at
http://www.compuclinic.com/osr2faq
An update to win98 will solve those problems tho.
Cheers
Mike
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Re: Old DOS games and memory problems
Author: ttammi
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:00
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Graham Goring <graham@dukeVOMITtastrophy.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Windows 95 & 98 are loathe to give up any of the base memory and you'll >find this is a real problem with older games, your best bet is to either HUH? It is very easy in Win98 (and probably 95) to set the machine so that you have over 600kB of conventional memory free in a DOS prompt window! I play 99% percent of my old DOS games fine through Win98. The only problem is that Win98 always has a memory manager similar to EMM386 active, so those old DOS games that simply refuse to work with EMM386 loaded, won't work with Win98 either. For example Ultima 7 and Crusader: No Remorse. In that case you have to boot into DOS mode (the DOS that Win98 comes with, you _don't_ need dual boot to DOS 6.22 for example). If you do have to boot into DOS mode for a game, in my opinion the best option is to make a shortcut to COMMAND.COM, and in the Advanced options set up your own config.sys and autoexec.bat for that shortcut. You can have as many MS-DOS boot ups (with EMS, without EMS, with CD-ROM drivers, without CD-ROM drivers, even very own boot ups for single games like I have for Ultima 7 and Dreamweb etc. etc. etc. etc.) as you want. Neither do you have to set up any boot up menu with limited number of options. >However, back to the subject of dual-boots. I'm not sure how easy it >is with Windows 98, tbh, but version B of W95 was a right bastard to >try it on (hence my purchase of a 486). You don't need dual boot at all. In both Win95 and Win98 simply make a shortcut to C:\COMMAND.COM (if you are going to use it with several games) or directly to the game executable (if you are going to use it with one certain game only), and set up the options for it like config.sys etc. Very easy after you realize it can be done like this. ;-)
Re: Old DOS games and memory problems
Author: Graham Goring
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:00
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In article <0TWC3Y477Rsa092yn@ozemail.com.au>, Michael Raiteri
<raiterim@ozemail.com.au> writes
>In article <y$Q94CAnnPC3Ewhs@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>,
>Graham Goring <graham@dukeVOMITtastrophy.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>In article <3708F477.FEEFCE77@nmt.edu>, James Garvin <boot@nmt.edu>
>>writes
>>>Ah...The halcion days of Doom2....Takes me back...Actually where DO you get
>>>older games anymore??? Seems no one is willing to give them up!
>>
>>Well, all the Doom games are available in a big box under the title
>>Doom Trilogy, that's where I got it. However, without wishing to
>>encourage piracy, a search for "abandonware ring" will reap many
>>rewards.
>
>True, sometime like http://come.to/RoA
That would be a good example, although the Ring Of Ages is no more, but
they do have a rather nice Abandonware search engine there...
I'd say something like http://surfsolutions.com/abandonwarering/ would
be an excellent starting place.
Graham Goring
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