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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:15:42 -0000, spug@intlog.demon.co.uk (Steve
Parry) wrote:

>I don't know whether these are the right groups for this sort of
>question, please feel free to tell me if not.

It's as good a place as any and if anyone can help get quarts into
pint pots the good folk at dtpc can.

<SNIPS>

>These are 486 Sx50's with 213Mb HDD and memory varying
>between 4 and 16 Mb. It is possible that a fairly powerful machine
>coud be acquired too if necessary.They would like to run W98(!) on
>them. 

Sorry to sound negative, but forget it. You may get W98 to load and
run but they will be virtually unusable.

>Because of the small Hdds, is it possible for the OS to be on
>another machine so that they could bo booted to DOS and then run
>windows from a remote? 

I guess you could get something along these lines to work - I'd be
interested to know how - but W95/98 will run even slower as a result.

>Would it be necessary to have separate copies
>of W98 (or 95) on the remote system, one for each workstation? 

No, but you would almost certainly need separate registries and
swapfiles - probably held on the "client" had disk.

>Would
>this be a client/server arrangement or peer-to-peer?

Peer-to-peer

>I have bought an 8 port hub, and some NIC's just reallly to play with.
>I have rigged two of the computers up using WFW 3.11. I can access the
>other hard drive and can chat and pop-up.

Well done! For machines of this spec, WFWG is a sensible solution.

> I cant so far use mail. (I
>created a WGPO, but have now forgotten the password, do I just delete
>the directory and start again?) 

Basically, yes. And delete a couple of ini files from the workstations
(msmail.ini and ????? sorry can't remember)

>How do become a new user of the WGPO?

You need to run the MS Mail Administrator program which you used to
create the PostOffice to add new users.

>I also can not access the CD rom on one of the computers, I have set
>it as a shared drive but the other computer finds the share name and
>reports "no files found", and the CD rom does not even spin up when it
>does this.

Not sure. When you say you cannot acces the CD on one of the
computers, do you mean that you can access the CD on others? I've not
had a problem the couple of times I've tried this, though is is rather
fun watching the system grind to a halt when you get a number of
people trying to access the same CD :)

>As you can see, what I need is a good all round beginner's guide to
>networking. Does anyone know of such a resource on the net?

Sorry, again I can't help. But it sounds like you are going along the
right lines if you've got so much done already. You can try asking
*specific*  questions here, as you come across problems. You may get
half a dozen different answers, some of which may even work.
 
>Also I get "list of servers not available" when I try to do
>things...(cant remember which things, its getting late)

Sorry, not specific enough <G> It's not even clear whether you mean
whilst building/administering your network, or searching the web!

>On a network, is it poss to share computer power, ie if one has say a
>486sx50 8Mb RAM and a PII 450 128Mb RAM is the 486 machine's
>performance going to be enhanced?

No

>if anyone could spare the time to have a bash at these Q's I would be
>very grateful. 


-- 
Tim Stannard

>>As you can see, what I need is a good all round beginner's guide to
>>networking. Does anyone know of such a resource on the net?


You might try www.homepcnetwork.com  and/or
www.3com.com

In article <364ca309.53967340@adhocntserver>, Tim Stannard
<stannard@adhoc.demon.co.uk> writes

>>On a network, is it poss to share computer power, ie if one has say a
>>486sx50 8Mb RAM and a PII 450 128Mb RAM is the 486 machine's
>>performance going to be enhanced?
>
>No

If they were all running Linux, you could have the apps running on the
P-II and just piping the display output to the 486s.

TB                   Barney the Hamster (RIP 22.10.1998)

On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:07:34 +0000, Tom Bird
<hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <364ca309.53967340@adhocntserver>, Tim Stannard
><stannard@adhoc.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>>On a network, is it poss to share computer power, ie if one has say a
>>>486sx50 8Mb RAM and a PII 450 128Mb RAM is the 486 machine's
>>>performance going to be enhanced?
>>
>>No
>
>If they were all running Linux, you could have the apps running on the
>P-II and just piping the display output to the 486s.
>
>TB                   Barney the Hamster (RIP 22.10.1998)
Thanks, Tom. I am not sure that Linux/unix is the right OS for a
homework club, It would mean lots of work for me to learn....
This however is what I wanted to do, ie run the apps etc from a
"server" and have the 486s as little more than terminals. How do
people go about running networks with diskless or very small HDD
machines?
I bought some machines from auction not long ago they had 50 MB HDDs,
and had been networked together, running windows. How could they have
run say MS Office on this kit?
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On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:24:09 GMT, spug@intlog.demon.co.uk (Steve
Parry) wrote:

>I bought some machines from auction not long ago they had 50 MB HDDs,
>and had been networked together, running windows. How could they have
>run say MS Office on this kit?

Can't (AFAIK) be done on Microsoft kit. They were trying some thin
client stuff using some bought in technology, but everything I reead
on it said it was really flakey, because NT was really designed as a
desktop OS, not a client/server model. If I find the URL about this
I'll post it.

If you went for Tom's Linux idea then Star Office will run under
X-Windows and is (claimed) totally MSOffice compatable (But *MUCH*
cheaper). Mail me if you want a bit more info on this, since I am in
the process of creating just such a setup.

-- 
Duncan Thomas
dtp8@aber.ac.uk

In article <36540db5.1928559@news.demon.co.uk>, Steve Parry
<spug@intlog.demon.co.uk> writes


>Thanks, Tom. I am not sure that Linux/unix is the right OS for a
>homework club, It would mean lots of work for me to learn....
>This however is what I wanted to do, ie run the apps etc from a
>"server" and have the 486s as little more than terminals. How do
>people go about running networks with diskless or very small HDD
>machines?
>I bought some machines from auction not long ago they had 50 MB HDDs,
>and had been networked together, running windows. How could they have
>run say MS Office on this kit?

I worked on a site that ran DOS and Office 3 on diskless workstations.
They had no hard disk at all and the floppies were disabled by software.

I'm not sure whether Microsoft's Terminal Server system would run with
only 50Mb of storage on the client. My understanding is that it requires
a working Windows 95 installation on every client. I don't know whether
that's possible in 50Mb.

-- 
Bernard Peek
bap@shrdlu.com

In article <3654d61b.2732208@news.aber.ac.uk>, Duncan Thomas
<dpt8@aber.ac.uk> writes
[snip]
>If you went for Tom's Linux idea then Star Office will run under
>X-Windows and is (claimed) totally MSOffice compatable (But *MUCH*
>cheaper).

Like 'free'.

TB                   Team TSF (UK)

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 07:22:12 +0000, Bernard Peek <Bernard@shrdlu.com>
wrote:
>In article <36540db5.1928559@news.demon.co.uk>, Steve Parry
><spug@intlog.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>
>>Thanks, Tom. I am not sure that Linux/unix is the right OS for a
snip
>>I bought some machines from auction not long ago they had 50 MB HDDs,
>>and had been networked together, running windows. How could they have
>>run say MS Office on this kit?
>
>I worked on a site that ran DOS and Office 3 on diskless workstations.
>They had no hard disk at all and the floppies were disabled by software.
>
>I'm not sure whether Microsoft's Terminal Server system would run with
>only 50Mb of storage on the client. My understanding is that it requires
>a working Windows 95 installation on every client. I don't know whether
>that's possible in 50Mb.
thanks Bernard, and everyone who responded, I have got W95 on the
machines now (just two of them) and all is well (sort of).
See new thread below for more hopeless newbie Q's,
Thanks again,

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On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:58:06 +0000, Tom Bird
<hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <3654d61b.2732208@news.aber.ac.uk>, Duncan Thomas
><dpt8@aber.ac.uk> writes
>[snip]
>>If you went for Tom's Linux idea then Star Office will run under
>>X-Windows and is (claimed) totally MSOffice compatable (But *MUCH*
>>cheaper).
>
>Like 'free'.

Technically only for personal use, so a club wouldn't count.

But who's counting?

-- 
Duncan Thomas
dpt8@aber.ac.uk