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1. Have you run the WD diagnostics utility yet?

2. Do you have sufficient airflow through your case? (front and rear 
case fans are good things).

Ari


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Penang <kalambong@gmail.com> wrote:

> I need to to know if people with huge capacity SATA hard
> drives (500GB and up) have the following problem :

No they dont.

> Bought a new hard drive, install it, formatted the disk, install the
> OS, use it for 2 months, and then weird things start popping up.

> The hard drive that I am using is Western Digital's WD6400AAKS -- a 640GB hard drive.

> I bought it to replace my 250 GB drive, which is running out of capacity. I do a lot of video editing.

Hard core porn eh ?

> Bought the hard drive back in 2nd of July this year. Install the hard
> drive into my PC, partitioned it into 2 logical volume (Drive C: and
> Drive D:) and then install the OS onto it. The OS that I use is Win
> XP. The HD is formatted under NTFS file system.

> Drive C: has 30 GB and the rest, about 570GB, falls under drive D:

> I ran chkdsk (check disk) on both partitions (chkdsk /f /r /x) and there wasn't
> any error. So I thought I had bought a good drive and was feeling very happy.

> It runs okay for 2 months, and then ...

> Sometimes when I start my PC, the PC can't find the drive.

Likely because the bad is first physical sector.

> Other times, the PC can find the drive, but running extra ordinarily slow.

Likely because its retrying on the bads.

> I dropped down to the Command Prompt level, use "chkdsk" again to check what's wrong.

> The command that I use is still the same "chkdsk /x /r /f" --- to
> dismount the disk, and to "fix" the disk if there is anything wrong,
> and to check (recover) bad sector.

> Long and behold, there _ARE_ bad sectors !!

> Drive C has 82KB of bad sectors, and Drive D has 288KB of bad sectors.

Post the Everest SMART report on the drive.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

> This is a drive that I'd just used for 2 months !! And the
> manufacturing date (the date stamped on the label of the drive)
> indicated that it was made June, 2008. In all account, this is a
> _NEW_ drive, and it is developing BAD SECTORS !!!

> The 250GB drive that I used never gave me any problem.
> This 640GB, however, worries me !

> I know that 400KB of bad sector, for a 640GB (actually it's 597GB
> after formatted) hard drive, is insignificant. But still, bad sectors are
> still BAD SECTORS, and I am afraid that the bad sectors would spread !!

Not spread so much as that many bads do indicate the drive is likely
dying or that the rest of the system does have a serious problem.

> That is why I am posting this message, asking the people
> who have more experience than me in using huge capacity
> hard drive --- is the bad sectors common occurrance?

Nope, the drive is likely dying or that the rest of the system does have a serious problem.

> Or that I'm just too unlucky to get myself a lemon?

Impossible to say yet until its clear if the drive is dying or if the system has a problem.

> BTW, the hard drive is EXTREMELY HOT, not warm, but VERY HOT !!!

Thats certainly bad and may well be the cause of the bads.

> I do not have the actual temperature in it (I do not know if there is any
> utility out there that would give me the drive's actual temperature)

Yes, the Everest SMART report will show the drive internal temp.

> but when I touch the drive, it was very HOT !!!

> Please, please help.

Post the Everest SMART report on the drive.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

And do something about the drive temperature. If its mounted adjacent
to another drive, have a free slot between the drive and the other drive.

If there is no way to have a free slot adjacent to the drive, add a fan blowing over the drive. 

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Penang kalambong@gmail.com the
Slapstick Neuter Advisory Assurance Group member wrote in
news:0be95232-1d86-4262-8806-9bfb0ed20e59@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

>I need to to know if people with huge capacity SATA hard drives (500GB
> and up)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You fucking peasant.

> have the following problem :
>
> Bought a new hard drive, install it, formatted the disk, install the
> OS, use it for 2 months, and then weird things start popping up.

Oh yes, wierd things popping up, you need to RMA that hard drive.

>
> The hard drive that I am using is Western Digital's WD6400AAKS -- a
> 640GB hard drive.
>
> I bought it to replace my 250 GB drive, which is running out of
> capacity. I do a lot of video editing.
>
> Bought the hard drive back in 2nd of July this year. Install the hard
> drive into my PC, partitioned it into 2 logical volume (Drive C: and
> Drive D:) and then install the OS onto it. The OS that I use is Win
> XP. The HD is formatted under NTFS file system.

Try again, fucknuts.
You need to install Windows XP onto a primary partition, in fact the second 
partition should be primary too.
Are you some sort of win98 gooroo or summatt?

>
> Drive C: has 30 GB and the rest, about 570GB, falls under drive D:
>
> I ran chkdsk (check disk) on both partitions (chkdsk /f /r /x) and
> there wasn't any error. So I thought I had bought a good drive and was
> feeling very happy.
>
> It runs okay for 2 months, and then ...
>
> Sometimes when I start my PC, the PC can't find the drive.
>
> Other times, the PC can find the drive, but running extra ordinarily
> slow.
>
> I dropped down to the Command Prompt level, use "chkdsk" again to
> check what's wrong.
>
> The command that I use is still the same "chkdsk /x /r /f" --- to
> dismount the disk, and to "fix" the disk if there is anything wrong,
> and to check (recover) bad sector.
>
> Long and behold, there _ARE_ bad sectors !!

Really? Wow. that'll be all the fucking about you're doing.

>
> Drive C has 82KB of bad sectors, and Drive D has 288KB of bad sectors.
>
> This is a drive that I'd just used for 2 months !! And the
> manufacturing date (the date stamped on the label of the drive)
> indicated that it was made June, 2008. In all account, this is a _NEW_
> drive, and it is developing BAD SECTORS !!!

No need to fucking shout about it here. RMA the cunt and hope for the best.
Take garry glitter precautions first though, eh!

>
> The 250GB drive that I used never gave me any problem. This 640GB,
> however, worries me !

Western digital, you say?
More fool you, you fucking Jew cunt.
Buy a proper large hard drive from a reputable manufacturer and from a 
reputable source too.

>
> I know that 400KB of bad sector, for a 640GB (actually it's 597GB
> after formatted) hard drive, is insignificant. But still, bad sectors
> are still BAD SECTORS, and I am afraid that the bad sectors would
> spread !!

London to brick the drive is overheating either because western digital are 
shit, which they are or you didnt install it correctly.

>
> That is why I am posting this message, asking the people who have more
> experience than me in using huge capacity hard drive --- is the bad
> sectors common occurrance?

Your drive isn't huge, get over it for fuck sake. No one's impressed.

>
> Or that I'm just too unlucky to get myself a lemon?

A lmon would have been both cheaper, tastier and more reliable.
You bought a piece of shit, there's no surprisees if such a drive fails, 
honestly.

>
> BTW, the hard drive is EXTREMELY HOT, not warm, but VERY HOT !!! I do

You wittered on for about 20 minutes about the fucking thing and didn't care 
to consider that hot hard drives are fucked hard drives? Why on earth didn't 
you put that in the subject line. You could have saved everyone a lot of 
time.

> not have the actual temperature in it (I do not know if there is any
> utility out there that would give me the drive's actual temperature)
> but when I touch the drive, it was very HOT !!!

Many utilities, I use Everest. Dtemp is the one for Jews and peasants, it's 
free.
Download Dtemp and use it to check the SMART logs too.

>
> Please, please help.
>
> Thank you !
>

Best advice is to buy a 1TB drive from a reputable supplier, RMA the western 
digital POS and sell what you get back on ebay for about 250 Rand.

You might find that using a smaller, single platter hard drive for the 
operating system and a larger drive for your video stuff and other filth is 
a better setup. You'll need a proper PC Case so you can put the drives in 
properly.


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On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:46:22 -0700 (PDT), Penang
<kalambong@gmail.com> wrote:

>I need to to know if people with huge capacity SATA hard drives (500GB
>and up) have the following problem :
>
>Bought a new hard drive, install it, formatted the disk, install the
>OS, use it for 2 months, and then weird things start popping up.
>
>The hard drive that I am using is Western Digital's WD6400AAKS -- a
>640GB hard drive.
>
>I bought it to replace my 250 GB drive, which is running out of
>capacity. I do a lot of video editing.
>
>Bought the hard drive back in 2nd of July this year. Install the hard
>drive into my PC, partitioned it into 2 logical volume (Drive C: and
>Drive D:) and then install the OS onto it. The OS that I use is Win
>XP. The HD is formatted under NTFS file system.
>
>Drive C: has 30 GB and the rest, about 570GB, falls under drive D:
>
>I ran chkdsk (check disk) on both partitions (chkdsk /f /r /x) and
>there wasn't any error. So I thought I had bought a good drive and was
>feeling very happy.
>
>It runs okay for 2 months, and then ...
>
>Sometimes when I start my PC, the PC can't find the drive.
>
>Other times, the PC can find the drive, but running extra ordinarily
>slow.
>
>I dropped down to the Command Prompt level, use "chkdsk" again to
>check what's wrong.
>
>The command that I use is still the same "chkdsk /x /r /f" --- to
>dismount the disk, and to "fix" the disk if there is anything wrong,
>and to check (recover) bad sector.
>
>Long and behold, there _ARE_ bad sectors !!
>
>Drive C has 82KB of bad sectors, and Drive D has 288KB of bad sectors.
>
>This is a drive that I'd just used for 2 months !! And the
>manufacturing date (the date stamped on the label of the drive)
>indicated that it was made June, 2008. In all account, this is a _NEW_
>drive, and it is developing BAD SECTORS !!!
>
>The 250GB drive that I used never gave me any problem. This 640GB,
>however, worries me !
>
>I know that 400KB of bad sector, for a 640GB (actually it's 597GB
>after formatted) hard drive, is insignificant. But still, bad sectors
>are still BAD SECTORS, and I am afraid that the bad sectors would
>spread !!
>
>That is why I am posting this message, asking the people who have more
>experience than me in using huge capacity hard drive --- is the bad
>sectors common occurrance?
>
>Or that I'm just too unlucky to get myself a lemon?
>
>BTW, the hard drive is EXTREMELY HOT, not warm, but VERY HOT !!! I do
>not have the actual temperature in it (I do not know if there is any
>utility out there that would give me the drive's actual temperature)
>but when I touch the drive, it was very HOT !!!
>
>Please, please help.
>
>Thank you !

These are not problems specific to 500GB or larger drives.
Run the HDD manufacturer's diagnostics, look at your Windows
Event Viewer to see if any seemingly associated errors are
logged, and try disconnecting and reconnecting the cables
(including the motherboard end).

As for the PC not finding the drive, does it have a very
short POST before trying to boot?  If so, perhaps the drive
isn't spinning up fast enough, see if there is a bios
setting for a time period it might wait and set that for a
couple seconds or more.

"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message 
news:ei05c4d6mnjg857fe4eqgir8dp4a7pfuv9@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:46:22 -0700 (PDT), Penang
> <kalambong@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I need to to know if people with huge capacity SATA hard drives (500GB
>>and up) have the following problem :
>>
>>Bought a new hard drive, install it, formatted the disk, install the
>>OS, use it for 2 months, and then weird things start popping up.
>>
>>The hard drive that I am using is Western Digital's WD6400AAKS -- a
>>640GB hard drive.
>>
>>I bought it to replace my 250 GB drive, which is running out of
>>capacity. I do a lot of video editing.
>>
>>Bought the hard drive back in 2nd of July this year. Install the hard
>>drive into my PC, partitioned it into 2 logical volume (Drive C: and
>>Drive D:) and then install the OS onto it. The OS that I use is Win
>>XP. The HD is formatted under NTFS file system.
>>
>>Drive C: has 30 GB and the rest, about 570GB, falls under drive D:
>>
>>I ran chkdsk (check disk) on both partitions (chkdsk /f /r /x) and
>>there wasn't any error. So I thought I had bought a good drive and was
>>feeling very happy.
>>
>>It runs okay for 2 months, and then ...
>>
>>Sometimes when I start my PC, the PC can't find the drive.
>>
>>Other times, the PC can find the drive, but running extra ordinarily
>>slow.
>>
>>I dropped down to the Command Prompt level, use "chkdsk" again to
>>check what's wrong.
>>
>>The command that I use is still the same "chkdsk /x /r /f" --- to
>>dismount the disk, and to "fix" the disk if there is anything wrong,
>>and to check (recover) bad sector.
>>
>>Long and behold, there _ARE_ bad sectors !!
>>
>>Drive C has 82KB of bad sectors, and Drive D has 288KB of bad sectors.
>>
>>This is a drive that I'd just used for 2 months !! And the
>>manufacturing date (the date stamped on the label of the drive)
>>indicated that it was made June, 2008. In all account, this is a _NEW_
>>drive, and it is developing BAD SECTORS !!!
>>
>>The 250GB drive that I used never gave me any problem. This 640GB,
>>however, worries me !
>>
>>I know that 400KB of bad sector, for a 640GB (actually it's 597GB
>>after formatted) hard drive, is insignificant. But still, bad sectors
>>are still BAD SECTORS, and I am afraid that the bad sectors would
>>spread !!
>>
>>That is why I am posting this message, asking the people who have more
>>experience than me in using huge capacity hard drive --- is the bad
>>sectors common occurrance?
>>
>>Or that I'm just too unlucky to get myself a lemon?
>>
>>BTW, the hard drive is EXTREMELY HOT, not warm, but VERY HOT !!! I do
>>not have the actual temperature in it (I do not know if there is any
>>utility out there that would give me the drive's actual temperature)
>>but when I touch the drive, it was very HOT !!!
>>
>>Please, please help.
>>
>>Thank you !
>
> These are not problems specific to 500GB or larger drives.
> Run the HDD manufacturer's diagnostics, look at your Windows
> Event Viewer to see if any seemingly associated errors are
> logged, and try disconnecting and reconnecting the cables
> (including the motherboard end).
>
> As for the PC not finding the drive, does it have a very
> short POST before trying to boot?  If so, perhaps the drive
> isn't spinning up fast enough, see if there is a bios
> setting for a time period it might wait and set that for a
> couple seconds or more.
>

many years ago that answer cured a problematic drive I had............. 

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Penang <kalambong@gmail.com> wrote:
> I need to to know if people with huge capacity SATA hard drives (500GB
> and up) have the following problem :

> Bought a new hard drive, install it, formatted the disk, install the
> OS, use it for 2 months, and then weird things start popping up.

> The hard drive that I am using is Western Digital's WD6400AAKS -- a
> 640GB hard drive.

> I bought it to replace my 250 GB drive, which is running out of
> capacity. I do a lot of video editing.

> Bought the hard drive back in 2nd of July this year. Install the hard
> drive into my PC, partitioned it into 2 logical volume (Drive C: and
> Drive D:) and then install the OS onto it. The OS that I use is Win
> XP. The HD is formatted under NTFS file system.

> Drive C: has 30 GB and the rest, about 570GB, falls under drive D:

> I ran chkdsk (check disk) on both partitions (chkdsk /f /r /x) and
> there wasn't any error. So I thought I had bought a good drive and was
> feeling very happy.

First mistake: Chkdsk doe snot check the disk at all. It only lok
s at the filesystem medatada. Use a long SMART selftest for a disk
ckeck (can be started with most SMART tools).

> It runs okay for 2 months, and then ...

> Sometimes when I start my PC, the PC can't find the drive.

> Other times, the PC can find the drive, but running extra ordinarily
> slow.

> I dropped down to the Command Prompt level, use "chkdsk" again to
> check what's wrong.

> The command that I use is still the same "chkdsk /x /r /f" --- to
> dismount the disk, and to "fix" the disk if there is anything wrong,
> and to check (recover) bad sector.

> Long and behold, there _ARE_ bad sectors !!

Nad, Vey bad.

> Drive C has 82KB of bad sectors, and Drive D has 288KB of bad sectors.

> This is a drive that I'd just used for 2 months !! And the
> manufacturing date (the date stamped on the label of the drive)
> indicated that it was made June, 2008. In all account, this is a _NEW_
> drive, and it is developing BAD SECTORS !!!

So? The technical term is infant mortality. It happens and is
one of the reasons youy need backup.

> The 250GB drive that I used never gave me any problem. This 640GB,
> however, worries me !

> I know that 400KB of bad sector, for a 640GB (actually it's 597GB
> after formatted) hard drive, is insignificant. But still, bad sectors
> are still BAD SECTORS, and I am afraid that the bad sectors would
> spread !!

Any bad sectors are significant. The occasional single one might not 
be, but that is 800'000 bas sectors, if your diagnosis is right,
an a reason to toss the driev.

> That is why I am posting this message, asking the people who have more
> experience than me in using huge capacity hard drive --- is the bad
> sectors common occurrance?

> Or that I'm just too unlucky to get myself a lemon?

I would think lemmon.

> BTW, the hard drive is EXTREMELY HOT, not warm, but VERY HOT !!! I do
> not have the actual temperature in it (I do not know if there is any
> utility out there that would give me the drive's actual temperature)
> but when I touch the drive, it was very HOT !!!

Speedfan, e.g., displays dirve temperature. Temperature is one of
the main HDD killers. 

So, get a SMART utility, run along SMART selftes and
look at the SMART attributes (or post them here). Chkdsk
is unusable for HDD diagnostics.

Arno

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> "kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>
... snip ...
>
>> As for the PC not finding the drive, does it have a very
>> short POST before trying to boot?  If so, perhaps the drive
>> isn't spinning up fast enough, see if there is a bios
>> setting for a time period it might wait and set that for a
>> couple seconds or more.
> 
> many years ago that answer cured a problematic drive I had....

Note the snip level on this.  It carries the same information that
your post did.  Please snip anything that does not bear on your
replies.

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"Penang" <kalambong@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:0be95232-1d86-4262-8806-9bfb0ed20e59@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>I need to to know if people with huge capacity SATA hard drives (500GB
> and up) have the following problem :
>
> Bought a new hard drive, install it, formatted the disk, install the
> OS, use it for 2 months, and then weird things start popping up.
>
> The hard drive that I am using is Western Digital's WD6400AAKS -- a
> 640GB hard drive.
>
> I bought it to replace my 250 GB drive, which is running out of
> capacity. I do a lot of video editing.
>
> Bought the hard drive back in 2nd of July this year. Install the hard
> drive into my PC, partitioned it into 2 logical volume (Drive C: and
> Drive D:) and then install the OS onto it. The OS that I use is Win
> XP. The HD is formatted under NTFS file system.
>
> Drive C: has 30 GB and the rest, about 570GB, falls under drive D:
>
> I ran chkdsk (check disk) on both partitions (chkdsk /f /r /x) and
> there wasn't any error. So I thought I had bought a good drive and was
> feeling very happy.
>
> It runs okay for 2 months, and then ...
>
> Sometimes when I start my PC, the PC can't find the drive.
>
> Other times, the PC can find the drive, but running extra ordinarily
> slow.
>
> I dropped down to the Command Prompt level, use "chkdsk" again to
> check what's wrong.
>
> The command that I use is still the same "chkdsk /x /r /f" --- to
> dismount the disk, and to "fix" the disk if there is anything wrong,
> and to check (recover) bad sector.
>
> Long and behold, there _ARE_ bad sectors !!
>
> Drive C has 82KB of bad sectors, and Drive D has 288KB of bad sectors.
>
> This is a drive that I'd just used for 2 months !! And the
> manufacturing date (the date stamped on the label of the drive)
> indicated that it was made June, 2008. In all account, this is a _NEW_
> drive, and it is developing BAD SECTORS !!!
>
> The 250GB drive that I used never gave me any problem. This 640GB,
> however, worries me !
>
> I know that 400KB of bad sector, for a 640GB (actually it's 597GB
> after formatted) hard drive, is insignificant. But still, bad sectors
> are still BAD SECTORS, and I am afraid that the bad sectors would
> spread !!
>
> That is why I am posting this message, asking the people who have more
> experience than me in using huge capacity hard drive --- is the bad
> sectors common occurrance?
>
> Or that I'm just too unlucky to get myself a lemon?
>
> BTW, the hard drive is EXTREMELY HOT, not warm, but VERY HOT !!! I do
> not have the actual temperature in it (I do not know if there is any
> utility out there that would give me the drive's actual temperature)
> but when I touch the drive, it was very HOT !!!
>
> Please, please help.
>
> Thank you !

My experience of 500GB drives has been disappointing, and your experience is 
no comfort!
I recently had a WD 500GB delivered - an AAKS like yours.  It was dead on 
arrival, but then it wasn't anti-static packed.  Just bubble wrap 
(polythene?) which ia probably very good at generating static.
Then bought a Seagate 500GB - it had lots of bad sectors whilst creating my 
first partition and was then condemned by Seagate diagnostics.  That's 
currently on it's way back to the supplier.
I am using full anti-static procedures including wrist strap, the ports I'm 
using are fine with my present WD 120GB and the voltages are ok with my DVM 
so I'm pretty sure I'm not killing them.
It all makes nonsense of any backup strategy which includes the assumption 
that a replacement drive can be acquired quickly.  My other drives are a 120 
WD and a 160 Seagate - both 3 years old and both 100% reliable.

The temperature will probably be in the SMART data which can be extracted 
with WD diagnostics but interpretation is not easy.

Phil

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Phil B <phil.remove.brady@hotmail dot co dot united kingdom> wrote:
[...]
> The temperature will probably be in the SMART data which can be extracted 
> with WD diagnostics but interpretation is not easy.

Temerature is not a standardized attribute, but any decen SMART
utility will have a current drive database or at least a best 
that typically works. Both speedfan and the smartmontools
usually get the temperature right. If they get it wrong,
it will be some completely unrealistic value, so you will
know.

Arno