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Article #267Re: Analog Tape Hiss & Dither
From: Arny Krueger
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:17
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:17
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"John Atkinson" <stereophile_editor@compuserve.com> wrote in message news:9b0b3a02.0105220947.29b0521d@posting.google.com... > "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@pop3free.com> wrote in message news:<kCsO6.3393$7K.519145501@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>... > > Now that I've finally gotten John Atkinson to admit over in RAHE that > > tape hiss CAN act as dither, Dormer is my number one candidate for > > "Ostrich of the Year". > Mr. Krueger, I have no idea why you are raising my name in newsgroups > to which I do not subscribe, hence my crossposting this response to > r.a.o. Gee John you've never mentioned my name behind my back? Come on, you've admitted it on RAO! Oh, I get it. It's OK for you to mention my name behind my back, but not vice-versa. Rank has its privileges and all that, right? >However, to examine this statement of yours above, the discussion > to which you are referring involved your claims that the "room sound" > on live recordings would act as dither, not "tape hiss." As was pointed > out to you at the time by others, this background noise is far too "red" > to provide any dithering action. It's not my fault if people don't believe in linear superposition. > With respect to tape hiss or even electrical noise, both of which > are "whiter" in color than acoustic background noise, whether or not > these can act as dither will depend on their exact level and spectrum. > I don't believe I have said otherwise. I seem to recall a major tooth-pulling session getting you to agree with that w/r/t tape hiss. >What I have said is that if the > noise is too far above the digital noise floor, then it will be treated > by the ADC just as any other component of the original analog signal. Mr. Atkinson, are you saying that if a noise signal has an appropriate PDF and PSD, but is too far above the LSB, it can't possibly provide the benefits of dither? Please do tell...
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