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Article #292Re: Arny Kruegers rants about the Live! rejected
From: Arny Krueger
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 02:14
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 02:14
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"Ulrich Grassberger" <grasso@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:3b046d21.84012158@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > >http://www.pcabx.com/technical/low_pass/index.htm : > "These samples were made by applying CoolEdit Pro 'FFT' low-pass > filtering at the indicated frequency. The cutoff slope is in excess > of 100 dB/octave." > > So you use a linear-phase filter which leads to symmetrical ringing. OK. > Now, the pre-ringing can be detected by our ears. Please prove it with a DBT. All the pieces you need to "play" are at http://www.pcabx.com/technical/low_pass/index.htm including the DBT comparator. You do have to provide your own sound card and listening environment, but you must have that, right? > If you used a filter flatter than 100dB/oct but with a lower limit frequency and different coefficients you might be able to reduce pre-ringing. Mr. Grasso you are way ahead of yourself. You've presumed that the ringing is audible, but you've neither cited a relevant well-known psychoacoustic authority nor have you provided reliable evidence based on a listening test. Anybody can make unproven assertions and many people have. >That means that a lower limit frequency can sound better. In the absence of reliable evidence the claim "sounds better" is irrelevant. >I explain it at grassomusic.de/english/digital.htm#96khz in full length. Until you've proven that it's audible Mr. Grasso, all you've done "proven" your hypothesis by making yet another hypothesis. Mr. Grasso are you familiar with the concept of readily demonstrable facts? That's what any reasonable person is looking for. If the effect you claim is audible, is in fact audible then you should be able to demonstrate it in a DBT, no? That hardly seems like any kind of a notable accomplishment, no?
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