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"Paul D." <media@clara.net> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@pop3free.com> wrote:

> >Mr. Dormer has finally revealed that his  measurements are based
on
> >the APS drivers not Creative Labs  general consumer drivers. As
> >documented in the reports, the results at www.pcavtech.com are
based
> >on the general consumer drivers.

> >Mr. Dormer has been concealing this relevant fact about his use of
> >drivers that are not supplied with the consumer (OEM or retail)
> >versions of the product, when he has been making unfavorable
> >statements about the technical quality of the tests posted at
> >www.pcavtech.com

> You miserable sh*t.. here was the first post I made regarding my
> intention to test the card.  Note the latter three letters in the
> paragraph.


> "Also I wouldn't trust pcavtech for information on this cards sound
> quality today.  The tests are VERY out of date.. newer drivers can
> make quick an impact on sound quality IME.  It would be advisible
(sic) to
> repeat the tests for each major revision.  I may do some of my own
to
> see how things stand now using the latest APS."

Mr. Dormer people who are not familiar with eMu's product line (which
includes most consumers and many readers of this newsgroup ) don't
even know that APS  means, do they?  Have you explained it? Did you
even mention it with your test data? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

> I have not even remotely been concealing that I have used APS
drivers,  I said so *from the outset*.

Mr. Dormer you didn't post that information with your technical
results, in your post of 5/15/2001 at 9.:22 PM EDT,  did you?

You posted it a day earlier, didn't you?

Nice job of separating facts for maximum impact, no?

> Yes I have made comments regarding your tests, but in *each and
every*
> case I have talked SPECIFICALLY of the hardware capabilites (sic)
of the
> card.

That is irrelevant to this discussion. What you did Mr. Dormer is
test a different product, based on different parameters,  under
different operating conditions and used the results to criticize my
work.

Examples:

> "I decided to download a 30 day trial of Spectralab and
> see for myself just how your your (sic) tests contrasts with my
'real-world'
> Live! hardware."

Mr. Dormer  you never said anything like: "I used device drivers that
aren't packaged with the card in either its OEM version nor its
consumer version"

Mr. Dormer  you never said anything like: "I tested under different
operating conditions than Mr. Krueger?, did you?

Mr. Dormer  you never said anything like: "I tested for different
parameters than Mr. Krueger?, did you?

In short Mr., Dormer you tried to deceive all the readers of the all
newsgroups you cross-posted to, didn't you?

> "Of course, it's what it sounds like to you at the end of the day.
So
> don't let pcavtech and the pcavtech sheep fool you.. the Santa Cruz
> does not *outclass* the Live.  Those reports seriously underrate
the
> hardware quality of the 4830, as I intend to demonstrate in the not
> too distant future."

Mr. Dormer since AFAIK you have produced no test results from the
Santa Cruz, you haven't done that, have you?

> "Since I have found your Live! tests at www.pcavtech.com do not
> demonstrate the full hardware capabilities of the Live! card I have
in
> front of me.."

Mr. Dormer, your definition of "full hardware capabilities" is
irrelevant to what, 90%, 95%, 99% of all people who use the Live! ?

> One of my contentions with your site is that you do not re-test
cards
> with driver revisions.

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/live!/index.htm makes a lie out of
that. You've read it, I'm sure.

>As you know driver revisions can alter the  sound quality of
soundcards.

Mr. Dormer you didn't show that, did you? You completely switched the
consumer drivers that Creative Labs supplied with the Live! to this
day with drivers from a subsidiary of theirs that they don't
recommend for general consumers, right?

> In this case I think Creative should be
> pressured into removing the roll-off, which seems to be a software
> issue.

Perhaps. Proof of that would be a test of the SB Live! with the
consumer drivers when operated at 48 KHz.

> I will make a statement regarding the differences between drivers
when I have done comparative tests.

Mr. Dormer will you get around to admitting that you ranted and raved
about purported problems with the tests at www.pcavtech.com based on
tests that  involve different products, different operating
conditions and different parameters, now that you've optimized the
damage?  Or will this level of honesty permanently elude you?