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"Paul D." <media@clara.net> wrote in message
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> grasso@my-deja.com (Ulrich Grassberger) wrote:

> >>You have been spitting blood and teeth about the frequency
response of
> >>the Live! making all sorts of outrageous pronouncements, driving
> >>customers away, yet.. straight out of the box I turn out a
palatable
> >>+0.3/-0.5 dB from 20Hz to 19Khz.

> >>http://home.clara.net/media/scans/fr.jpg
> >>[Analog 48Khz, 16bt, 32768pts, Flattop]

Interestingly enough, despite all the blood Mr. Dormer spits, there
is no comparable plot at www.pcavtech.com. That's because almost
every musical application for a sound card involves data sampled at
44 KHz, not 48 KHz.

Elsewhere Mr. Dormer suggests that people resample all their 44 KHz
files to 48 KHz. This is  entirely impractical except in an audio
production environment. Can you see people converting all their MP3's
to play at 48 KHz? LOL!

> >That upper-end cutoff story is nonsense, no ear cares for a dB
more or less at 19KHz.

> Agreed.. I don't think the plot by itself indicates much that would
be  audible.

You are learning well, grasshoppers. ;-)

> >>With the digital outputs I get a whopping
> >>92dB S/NR compared to your 80dB, and an even flatter signal
response
> >>than with analog.

> >Yeah, Arny misinterprets most results because he does not have the
appropriate background knowledge.

> I'm not going to argue with you about this :-)

I feel like I'm a dam that has been attacked by ants... ;-)

> >Yeah, he seems to mess up some things some times. If the results
are
> >strange he doesn�t bother to investigate further, to investigate
if HE
> >HIMSELF might have made a mistake instead of the soundcard beeing
bad.

Mr. Grasso seems to have added mind reading to his inestimable
talents.

> Disappointing really.  Based on what I've learnt so far, I think if
he
> had been more pro-active Creative might have been pressurised to do
> something really useful with their drivers that would have pleased
a
> lot of customers.

I wish! I believe that I've gotten far more of a "rise" out of CL
than any other soundcard site - namely a white paper that concedes
just about all the points I made about the Live! when I first
reviewed it back in 1998. However compared to CL, I'm an "ant."

> >>>The apparent claim that there is a significant difference
between
> >>>what is in the boxes that you put in your computer.

> >>Example?

> >Many: grassomusic.de/english/rauschen.htm midi.htm#ct4830 sb.htm

> I couldn't get this link to work?

Is this an example of Mr. Grasso's ability to get *everything*
right? Let's not get into the fact that his site is a mass of broken
links.

> Nice job on your site though.

Especially all the broken links...

> I was reading through it the other
> night.  A lot of it went right over my head to be honest.. but I
> learned a lot!

If you don't know much to start with, Mr. Domer, that's a far easier
thing to do.

> >MIPS is a nonsense count: grassomusic.de/english/hardware.htm

> That's true.. Alpha chips are a good demonstration of that too.

You are learning, Mr. Dormer. ;-)