🚀 go-pugleaf

>You have been spitting blood and teeth about the frequency response of
>the Live! making all sorts of outrageous pronouncements, driving
>customers away, yet.. straight out of the box I turn out a palatable
>+0.3/-0.5 dB from 20Hz to 19Khz.  
>
>http://home.clara.net/media/scans/fr.jpg
>[Analog 48Khz, 16bt, 32768pts, Flattop]
>
That upper-end cutoff story is nonsense, no ear cares for a dB more or
less at 19KHz. 

>Same story with the 1Khz S/NR test, I get 88dB compared to your 82dB.
>That's half as much noise.  
There are may different versions, f.e. the retail 5.1 versions have an
AC�97 with better S/N. 

>With the digital outputs I get a whopping
>92dB S/NR compared to your 80dB, and an even flatter signal response
>than with analog.
>
Yeah, Arny misinterprets most results because he does not have the
appropriate background knowlege.

>So I'm wondering how you arrived at such a pile of shit results?
>Maybe you didn't mute unused channels on the mixer applet first?
>Perhaps you inadvertently wired some resistors inline with your
>cabling?  Maybe you defecated on your sample first?  I dunno.. 

Yeah, he seems to mess up some things some times. If the results are
strange he doesn�t bother to investigate further, to investigate if HE
HIMSELF might have made a mistake instead of the soundcard beeing bad.

>Psychological?
Yeah, it�s all psychological. The only FACT which has an impact on
people�s minds is whose dick is the greatest. 
>
>>> >>>Rip-off packaging
>>
>>> >>OTT promotion certainly.
>>
>>> >No - all the Live! cards are the same.  All you're paying for is a
>>> >cute software bundle.
>>
>>> So where's the rip-off?
>>
>>The apparent claim that there is a significant difference between
>>what is in the boxes that you put in your computer.
>
>Example?
>
Many: grassomusic.de/english/rauschen.htm midi.htm#ct4830 sb.htm

>>> >>>What else is there to say?
>>
>>> >>I'm not convinced.  OK my system has crashed a couple of times since
>>> >>installing a Live card.. but I did fudge the installation. Besides
>>> >>I've experienced much worse from professional products - not ready to
>>> >>condemn it based on my own experience.  I am pretty impressed with
>>> >>what the Live! engine is capable of.  Aren't you?
>>> >
>>> >Not really - I own a Santa Cruz.  **THAT** DSP impresses me :-)
>>
>>> What makes it far superior in your mind?
>>
>>Better
>
>Really?  The EMU10K has more than twice the number crunching power of
>the Soundfusion DSP in the Cruz.  The EMU10K performs *one billion*
>instructions per second, all dedicated to audio.  I'm looking at a
>card with 64 voice polyphony, 48 MIDI channels, soundfont
>compatibility, 131 hardware audio channels, 92dB S/N ratio (88 for
>analog), four independant effects busses (assignable to hardware
>outputs), strip inputs, reverb, chorus, flanger, delay, auto wah,
>pitch shifter, distortion, compression, four independant shelf EQ and
>four independant Parametric EQ.. all of which can be used
>*simultaneously*.  Your answer of "better" goes no way toward
>convincing me that the Cruz DSP is, indeed, "better".  Could you be a
>tad more specific?
>
MIPS is a nonsense count: grassomusic.de/english/hardware.htm

Yours, 
   Uli

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