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abit@ms1.hinet.net (abit) wrote:

>ABIT Computer Corporation Releases A Breakthrough Product:  
>The Jumperless Pentium Mainboard

>come to visit our web site  for detail spec.

>our web site : www.abit.com.tw



>What happened to the mainboard when the user friendly trend swept the
>world of computers?  Isn't manually setting CPU parameters with jumpers 
>and DIP switches an anomaly among the Pentium processor and Windows 95?
>ABIT Computer Corporation, a top 10 mainboard manufacturer in Taiwan is 
>ready to bring the industry up to speed with it's release of the world's 
>first Jumperless Pentium Mainboard.  


>ABIT will be giving a demonstration of these and other mainboards 
>at booth #S3970 at COMDEX Fall/96. 

>We are looking for agents or distributors world wide.


AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

A true nightmare.  A motherboard without jumpers !
Could this be the end of overclocking ?

abit@ms1.hinet.net (abit) wrote:


>>abit@ms1.hinet.net (abit) wrote:
>>>ABIT Computer Corporation Releases A Breakthrough Product:  
>>>The Jumperless Pentium Mainboard
>>>come to visit our web site  for detail spec.
>>>our web site : www.abit.com.tw
>>>What happened to the mainboard when the user friendly trend swept the
>>>world of computers?  Isn't manually setting CPU parameters with jumpers 
>>>and DIP switches an anomaly among the Pentium processor and Windows 95?
>>>ABIT Computer Corporation, a top 10 mainboard manufacturer in Taiwan is 
>>>ready to bring the industry up to speed with it's release of the world's 
>>>first Jumperless Pentium Mainboard.  
>>>ABIT will be giving a demonstration of these and other mainboards 
>>>at booth #S3970 at COMDEX Fall/96. 
>>>We are looking for agents or distributors world wide.

>Panther-2@worldnet.att.net (Mark ) WROTE:
>>AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
>>A true nightmare.  A motherboard without jumpers !
>>Could this be the end of overclocking ?

>NO,NO,NO,THIS WILL BE THE START OF OVERCLOCKING.

>IT'S MORE CONVENIET TO VERIFY A CPU FOR DIFFERENT PARAMETERS SUCH LIKE
>CPU BRAND,EXTERNAL CLOCK,INTERNAL MULTIPLIER,AND VOLTAGE(Vcore and Vio).

>PROBABLY, YOU CAN SAD THIS M/B WILL BE THE KILLER OF CPU REMARKING.

Yea, but what happens when you set the MB for a clock speed the chip
can't handle and it freezes on bootup.  How are you then supposed to
change the jumpers to back off the bus speed so it will boot up?

Just curious.

L8r

>abit@ms1.hinet.net (abit) wrote:
>>ABIT Computer Corporation Releases A Breakthrough Product:  
>>The Jumperless Pentium Mainboard
>>come to visit our web site  for detail spec.
>>our web site : www.abit.com.tw
>>What happened to the mainboard when the user friendly trend swept the
>>world of computers?  Isn't manually setting CPU parameters with jumpers 
>>and DIP switches an anomaly among the Pentium processor and Windows 95?
>>ABIT Computer Corporation, a top 10 mainboard manufacturer in Taiwan is 
>>ready to bring the industry up to speed with it's release of the world's 
>>first Jumperless Pentium Mainboard.  
>>ABIT will be giving a demonstration of these and other mainboards 
>>at booth #S3970 at COMDEX Fall/96. 
>>We are looking for agents or distributors world wide.

Panther-2@worldnet.att.net (Mark ) WROTE:
>AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
>A true nightmare.  A motherboard without jumpers !
>Could this be the end of overclocking ?

NO,NO,NO,THIS WILL BE THE START OF OVERCLOCKING.

IT'S MORE CONVENIET TO VERIFY A CPU FOR DIFFERENT PARAMETERS SUCH LIKE
CPU BRAND,EXTERNAL CLOCK,INTERNAL MULTIPLIER,AND VOLTAGE(Vcore and Vio).

PROBABLY, YOU CAN SAD THIS M/B WILL BE THE KILLER OF CPU REMARKING.

vladd@best.com wrote:
> 
> Yea, but what happens when you set the MB for a clock speed the chip
> can't handle and it freezes on bootup.  How are you then supposed to
> change the jumpers to back off the bus speed so it will boot up?
> 

Like you reset the BIOS nowadays, placing/removing a "jumper" =)

O, gosh, it's a jumperless kinda mobo!

No, just kidding; a keyboard combination for instance ...
(<CTRL>+<ALT>+<SHIFT>+<whatever>)


Cheers,

	Raf.

On 3 Nov 1996 23:28:04 GMT, abit@ms1.hinet.net (abit) wrote:

>ABIT Computer Corporation Releases A Breakthrough Product:  
>The Jumperless Pentium Mainboard
>
>come to visit our web site  for detail spec.
>
>our web site : www.abit.com.tw
>
>
>
>What happened to the mainboard when the user friendly trend swept the

Just hearing it gives me the nitemare :)
People, here comes the dark ages of computing :)

Dark Knight wrote:
> 
> On 3 Nov 1996 23:28:04 GMT, abit@ms1.hinet.net (abit) wrote:
> 
> >ABIT Computer Corporation Releases A Breakthrough Product:
> >The Jumperless Pentium Mainboard

> Just hearing it gives me the nitemare :)
> People, here comes the dark ages of computing :)

What is wrong about not having jumpers ? Ideally, you want to be able
to fully configure a piece of hardware when you're stuck on an island
with it (without Internet access, of course). That can involve jumpers
properly marked on the silk screen, switches, or software configuration.

Of course, if you need a manual to handle the jumperless configuration,
or if it doesn't work reliably, it defeats the purpose...

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-- abit wrote:
> 
> for example, If you set the external clock to 200mhz but you just installed
> a Intel Pentium 100 CPU. You will get a booting failure and even no any
> display.
> 
> The BIOS always detect the power on status and make a record in CMOS
> register. The BIOS will set the CPU type to the default value when the BIOS
> detect an unsuccessful power on.

No, I mean if a certain keyboard combination resets the BIOS values to a
default, then it can check the CPU-ID, and according to this it can
automatically put the clock speed to the appropriate value. (I'm not sure
wether you need the processor to enter the BIOS. This certainly can cause
serious trouble!)

Raf.

>vladd@best.com wrote:
>> 
>> Yea, but what happens when you set the MB for a clock speed the chip
>> can't handle and it freezes on bootup.  How are you then supposed to
>> change the jumpers to back off the bus speed so it will boot up?
>> 
>Like you reset the BIOS nowadays, placing/removing a "jumper" =)
>O, gosh, it's a jumperless kinda mobo!
>No, just kidding; a keyboard combination for instance ...
>(<CTRL>+<ALT>+<SHIFT>+<whatever>)
>Cheers,
>	Raf.

for example, If you set the external clock to 200mhz but you just installed
a Intel Pentium 100 CPU. You will get a booting failure and even no any 
display.

The BIOS always detect the power on status and make a record in CMOS 
register. The BIOS will set the CPU type to the default value when the BIOS
detect an unsuccessful power on. 

product marketing

ABIT computer Corp.

Hello ABIT,

Would you please speed up your WEB server? I can only get 20/30 byte/second transfer rate!!!!

PLEASE.........

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abit wrote:
> 
> for example, If you set the external clock to 200mhz but you just installed
> a Intel Pentium 100 CPU. You will get a booting failure and even no any
> display.
> 
> The BIOS always detect the power on status and make a record in CMOS
> register. The BIOS will set the CPU type to the default value when the BIOS
> detect an unsuccessful power on.
> 
> product marketing
> 
> ABIT computer Corp.

Interestings. What is the "default value" then? Pentium? K5? 6x86?
It sounds like there could still be problems.

(Besides, we like jumpers! Especially when they fall off onto the
motherboard and down between some cards that then have to be removed to
get at it... :))

P.S. If the CPU doesn't boot, then how can the BIOS (a ROM chip, the
code of which has to be executed by something) set a value in CMOS? Is
there an additional microcontroller onboard to do these tasks? Not a bad
idea, since a microcontroller may become std equipment when the I2O spec
starts to get implemented.

>>ABIT Computer Corporation Releases A Breakthrough Product:  
>>The Jumperless Pentium Mainboard

>>come to visit our web site  for detail spec.

>>our web site : www.abit.com.tw



>>What happened to the mainboard when the user friendly trend swept the
>>world of computers?  Isn't manually setting CPU parameters with jumpers 
>>and DIP switches an anomaly among the Pentium processor and Windows 95?
>>ABIT Computer Corporation, a top 10 mainboard manufacturer in Taiwan is 
>>ready to bring the industry up to speed with it's release of the world's 
>>first Jumperless Pentium Mainboard.  


>>ABIT will be giving a demonstration of these and other mainboards 
>>at booth #S3970 at COMDEX Fall/96. 
>
>>We are looking for agents or distributors world wide.
>

>AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
>
>A true nightmare.  A motherboard without jumpers !
>Could this be the end of overclocking ?

I always shop for the boards with the most jumpers. In this Windoze age
people running anything else are pushed to the side. I remember having
4 devices trying to grab interrupt 5 while I was running solaris. I had
to install dos to boot the machine (4.0 was the last only I had),
reconfigure 2 of the devices, left one at 5, and ran out to CompUSA
and begged a sales person to dig in the back and find me an old SoundBlaster
card with some jumpers on it.

On another note, I never overclocked my P90 because there were no simple jumpers
available on my board. Now that I have got my goliath pro 200 (quad processor),
there is a very simple jumpering scheme that is idiot proof and well
documented.
	eg. jumper A -> 200mhz 66hmz bus
	    jumper B -> 180mhz 66hmz bus
	    jumper C -> 233mhz 66mhz bus
	    jumper D -> warp 10

Well I haven't ventured to warp 10 yet, but 233mhz is fine with me.



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On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:54:12 GMT, bjlig1@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Dark Knight) wrote:
>On 3 Nov 1996 23:28:04 GMT, abit@ms1.hinet.net (abit) wrote:
>
>>ABIT Computer Corporation Releases A Breakthrough Product:  
>>The Jumperless Pentium Mainboard
>>
>>come to visit our web site  for detail spec.
>>
>>our web site : www.abit.com.tw
>>
>>
>>
>>What happened to the mainboard when the user friendly trend swept the
>
>Just hearing it gives me the nitemare :)
>People, here comes the dark ages of computing :)
>

No jumpers?....automatically detect cpu speed?

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

No overclocking!


Bill Mitchell
wmitchel@escape.ca

Bill Mitchell wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:54:12 GMT, bjlig1@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Dark Knight) wrote:
> >On 3 Nov 1996 23:28:04 GMT, abit@ms1.hinet.net (abit) wrote:
> >
> >>ABIT Computer Corporation Releases A Breakthrough Product:
> >>The Jumperless Pentium Mainboard
> >>
> >>come to visit our web site  for detail spec.
> >>
> >>our web site : www.abit.com.tw
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>What happened to the mainboard when the user friendly trend swept the
> >
> >Just hearing it gives me the nitemare :)
> >People, here comes the dark ages of computing :)
> >
> 
> No jumpers?....automatically detect cpu speed?
> 
> AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
> 
> No overclocking!
> 
> Bill Mitchell
> wmitchel@escape.ca

My thoughts exactly. Does Plug 'n Play CPU ring a bell? A jumperless
motherboard doesn't necessarily mean user configurable. What if they
eventually put an image on the CPU for the operating parameters of the
CPU and there's no way to configure it. The motherboard changes the
settings once the CPU tells it what the settings should be.

-Raffi

>P-series, AMD's K5's, ECC, USB, 2.88MB floppy, etc.  I only hope their
>CPU interface is *not* PnP, as many of us fear.
>


You ppl are paranoid, if you don't like the product DON'T buy it. But
for me this board is what i've been waiting for. I'm sick of changing
jumper settings, A few months back I added an extra 256KB of pipline
cache and had to change 3 Jumpers !!, the job took a hr in total as
the last jumper was in a really difficult to get at spot. If I had one
of these boards it would have been a matter of plug in the pipline
module and power on.


M Ozdemir

Mehmet Ozdemir wrote:
> You ppl are paranoid, if you don't like the product DON'T buy it. But
> for me this board is what i've been waiting for. I'm sick of changing

That's not the point.  Companies like Dell & Gateway are bound to latch
on to something like this.  They know damn well that many people buy
lower-end systems and overclock them (naturally, the corp's feel
cheated).  I also think it's possible that Intel would opt for that PnP
BIOS, not just BIOS-configurable jumpers (as is the actual case here).

-----
Gregory Seid
gms2@lehigh.edu
http://www.lehigh.edu/~gms2/

abit wrote:
> 
> >vladd@best.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Yea, but what happens when you set the MB for a clock speed the chip
> >> can't handle and it freezes on bootup.  How are you then supposed to
> >> change the jumpers to back off the bus speed so it will boot up?
> >>
> >Like you reset the BIOS nowadays, placing/removing a "jumper" =)
> >O, gosh, it's a jumperless kinda mobo!
> >No, just kidding; a keyboard combination for instance ...
> >(<CTRL>+<ALT>+<SHIFT>+<whatever>)
> >Cheers,
> >       Raf.
> 
> for example, If you set the external clock to 200mhz but you just installed
> a Intel Pentium 100 CPU. You will get a booting failure and even no any
> display.
> 
> The BIOS always detect the power on status and make a record in CMOS
> register. The BIOS will set the CPU type to the default value when the BIOS
> detect an unsuccessful power on.
> 
> product marketing
> 
> ABIT computer Corp.

Is is just me, or does this sound like an excellent way to
fry someone's CPU as part of a destructive virus program?
Just bump up the CPU clock one notch at a time, until
-whoosh- your CPU goes up in flames.  Not that I would do
something like this.  I don't even know if it's possible
to access the BIOS settings while the system is running.

Just a thought...

-- 
Dan

How about this, jumpers every where as normal, but one jumper sets the
board as either "jumperless" or what ever the jumpers are set at.  Set
the default as jumperless for the dummies, us who know better only have
one more jumper to set, I can hack that, (if only the SB PnP cards had
the option).

By the way, as with SB cards, once the new type appears the old dies,
just try and buy a new non PnP SB16,  soon after this is introduced (if
it is), you won't have the choice either.

Bye

Gregory Seid wrote:
> 
> Mehmet Ozdemir wrote:
> > You ppl are paranoid, if you don't like the product DON'T buy it. But
> > for me this board is what i've been waiting for. I'm sick of changing
> 
> That's not the point.  Companies like Dell & Gateway are bound to latch
> on to something like this.  They know damn well that many people buy
> lower-end systems and overclock them (naturally, the corp's feel
> cheated).  I also think it's possible that Intel would opt for that PnP
> BIOS, not just BIOS-configurable jumpers (as is the actual case here).



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>That's not the point.  Companies like Dell & Gateway are bound to latch
>on to something like this.  They know damn well that many people buy
>lower-end systems and overclock them (naturally, the corp's feel
>cheated).  I also think it's possible that Intel would opt for that PnP
>BIOS, not just BIOS-configurable jumpers (as is the actual case here).

Yeah But If you buy a Dell or Gateway you wouldn't overclock it
anyway, Most ppl who overclk are those who are too tight to buy the
part which rated for the faster speed, hey I overclocked my 166 to
180. But whats wrong with have all these jumper settings in the bios
so you can go in in over clock to your heart delight, but though
keystrokes rather than using a bloody torch and tweezers.


M Ozdemir

>How about this, jumpers every where as normal, but one jumper sets the
>board as either "jumperless" or what ever the jumpers are set at.  Set
>the default as jumperless for the dummies, us who know better only have

Not dummies, but sick of getting down under the desk taking apart the
PC which has a card in every slot (mine does) which has something
connected to it. Unscrew the the six srews that hold the case
together, then to find that the bloody jumper is under the HDD bay. So
to change the cpu clk from 60 Mhz ----> 66 Mhz takes an hour of
mucking around.

Or on boot just press [del] go to system jumper config menu, go to cpu
clk option, set to 66 MHZ, reboot machine presto 66 Mhz cpu clock. So
those out like you who KNOW BETTER can play with jumpers as much as
you like, I'll take the software option.


Mehmet