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AES <siegman@stanford.edu> wrote:

>All of this work great the majority of the time, but there have been two 
>service outages during the past month when Internet and phone service 
>went down for 4 to 8 hours.  In  the most recent case,  the phone came 
>back up after a few hours, but the Internet connectivity remained out 
>for several more hours.

About 50% of Internet access troubles can be fixed by unplugging (not turning 
off but unplugging) the power from the router, waiting 30 seconds, then 
plugging the power back in.  

Another 25% of Comcast problems can be fixed by phoning Comcast from the phone 
number registered with them for your Comcast service.  A few levels down in 
voicemail hell is a provision for rebooting the connection from THEIR end.  
The voicemail explains it thoroughly.  

(I've instinctively called Comcast on my cell phone rather than on the 
client's phone, and thus accidentally rebooted my home service instead of my 
client's.  So, just remember to use the phone number associated with your 
Comcast service, even if it's the Comcast bundled phone service.)

In article <siegman-9BFF1F.15371317072010@sciid-srv02.med.tufts.edu>,
 AES <siegman@stanford.edu> wrote:

> I normally connect to the Internet via a Comcast residential service 
> with the following physical devices in the chain:
> 
>    MacBook (10.4.11) --- Airport Extreme base station ====
>    Comcast-provided modem (a Motorola "Surfboard") +++ (outside world)
> 
> where --- is an Airport WiFI link; === is Cat 45 Ethernet cable; and +++ 
> is a Comcast cable coming from the street.  We also have Comcast VOIP 
> service for 4 or 5 telephone lines which I believe connected into the 
> +++ cable somewhere upstream from the Comcast modem.
> 
> All of this work great the majority of the time, but there have been two 
> service outages during the past month when Internet and phone service 
> went down for 4 to 8 hours.  In  the most recent case,  the phone came 
> back up after a few hours, but the Internet connectivity remained out 
> for several more hours.
> 
> The JPEGs at <http://www.stanford.edu/~siegman/Comcast1.jpg> 
> and <http://www.stanford.edu/~siegman/Comcast2.jpg> show what I see at 
> different times, using the Network pane in the Mac's System Preferences 
> as a way of attempting to diagnose whether the outage means something is 
> wrong in my local settings or hardware, or Comcast is really down.

The Mac can only tell whether its WiFi connection to the AEBS is up.  

You can go to 192.168.100.1 to see the status of the modem.  If you can 
get to this address, then the Mac and AEBS are fine.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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In article 
<barmar-F56611.00213018072010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> 
> The Mac can only tell whether its WiFi connection to the AEBS is up.  
> 
> You can go to 192.168.100.1 to see the status of the modem.  If you can 
> get to this address, then the Mac and AEBS are fine.
> 

Barry, I don't know what you mean by "The Mac can only tell whether its 
WiFi connection to the AEBS is up".

Sitting at the Mac keyboard, I can open System Prefs, Network pane, and 
with a few steps (like clicking on an "Assist me" button), bring up a 
window titled "Network Diagnostics".  

Down the left column of that window, which is headed "Network Status", 
are 6 colored indicators (they look very much like radio buttons, but 
aren't) that can turn green, yellow, or red, and that are labeled from 
top to bottom as "Airport", "Airport Settings", Network Settings", 
"ISP", "Internet", and "Server".

At the minute I have 6 greens, and all is well.  When Comcast is down, I 
get 4 greens and the final two are yellow or red.  Sure seems to me my 
Mac (or at least my Mac + AEBS combo) is able to tell me, via the final 
two (or three) of those lights something about the status of stuff 
that's physically located miles from my desk.

In any case, I'd like to learn:

1)  Where or what is the "Network Diagnostics" software that creates 
this window labeled "Network Diagnostics"?  (Cmd-clicking on its title 
doesn't take me anywhere, and I don't find any app or utility with that 
name on my HD; is it some internal part of the Network prefs panel?)

2)  What do those colored light mean? (esp. the three bottom ones).

3)  Where else can I go for info on this? (besides the Genius Bar at the 
local Apple Store).

In article 
<siegman-651FCA.08462618072010@bmedcfsc-srv02.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>,
 AES <siegman@stanford.edu> wrote:

> In article 
> <barmar-F56611.00213018072010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,
>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > The Mac can only tell whether its WiFi connection to the AEBS is up.  
> > 
> > You can go to 192.168.100.1 to see the status of the modem.  If you can 
> > get to this address, then the Mac and AEBS are fine.
> > 
> 
> Barry, I don't know what you mean by "The Mac can only tell whether its 
> WiFi connection to the AEBS is up".
> 
> Sitting at the Mac keyboard, I can open System Prefs, Network pane, and 
> with a few steps (like clicking on an "Assist me" button), bring up a 
> window titled "Network Diagnostics".  
> 
> Down the left column of that window, which is headed "Network Status", 
> are 6 colored indicators (they look very much like radio buttons, but 
> aren't) that can turn green, yellow, or red, and that are labeled from 
> top to bottom as "Airport", "Airport Settings", Network Settings", 
> "ISP", "Internet", and "Server".
> 
> At the minute I have 6 greens, and all is well.  When Comcast is down, I 
> get 4 greens and the final two are yellow or red.  Sure seems to me my 
> Mac (or at least my Mac + AEBS combo) is able to tell me, via the final 
> two (or three) of those lights something about the status of stuff 
> that's physically located miles from my desk.
> 
> In any case, I'd like to learn:
> 
> 1)  Where or what is the "Network Diagnostics" software that creates 
> this window labeled "Network Diagnostics"?  (Cmd-clicking on its title 
> doesn't take me anywhere, and I don't find any app or utility with that 
> name on my HD; is it some internal part of the Network prefs panel?)
> 

/System/Library/CoreServices. See 
<http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/One-click_Access_to_Network_Diagn
ostics/> for information on finding it and adding it to your dock.


> 2)  What do those colored light mean? (esp. the three bottom ones).
> 
> 3)  Where else can I go for info on this? (besides the Genius Bar at the 
> local Apple Store).

Good question. Have you tried <www.apple.com/support>?

Steve

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AES wrote:
> In article 
> <barmar-F56611.00213018072010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,
>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
>> The Mac can only tell whether its WiFi connection to the AEBS is up.  
>>
>> You can go to 192.168.100.1 to see the status of the modem.  If you can 
>> get to this address, then the Mac and AEBS are fine.
>>
> 
> Barry, I don't know what you mean by "The Mac can only tell whether its 
> WiFi connection to the AEBS is up".
> 
> Sitting at the Mac keyboard, I can open System Prefs, Network pane, and 
> with a few steps (like clicking on an "Assist me" button), 


And then clicking on Diagnostics.  (For those who want to follow along 
on this discussion.)

> bring up a 
> window titled "Network Diagnostics".  

> Down the left column of that window, which is headed "Network Status", 
> are 6 colored indicators (they look very much like radio buttons, but 
> aren't) that can turn green, yellow, or red, and that are labeled from 
> top to bottom as "Airport", "Airport Settings", Network Settings", 
> "ISP", "Internet", and "Server".
> 
> At the minute I have 6 greens, and all is well.  When Comcast is down, I 
> get 4 greens and the final two are yellow or red.  Sure seems to me my 
> Mac (or at least my Mac + AEBS combo) is able to tell me, via the final 
> two (or three) of those lights something about the status of stuff 
> that's physically located miles from my desk.

What it can tell you is that it can't reach those things.  What it can't 
tell you is where the fault lies.  Try this - when all 4 are green, 
disconnect the cable to your router.  When your router can no longer 
connect to the internet, what does your network status tool tell you?

> In any case, I'd like to learn:
> 
> 1)  Where or what is the "Network Diagnostics" software that creates 
> this window labeled "Network Diagnostics"?  (Cmd-clicking on its title 
> doesn't take me anywhere, and I don't find any app or utility with that 
> name on my HD; is it some internal part of the Network prefs panel?)

Here's how to create a shortcut to this tool:

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/One-click_Access_to_Network_Diagnostics/

> 2)  What do those colored light mean? (esp. the three bottom ones).
> 
> 3)  Where else can I go for info on this? (besides the Genius Bar at the 
> local Apple Store).

There are tons of Mac user forums and many of them have expert people 
who can help.  Often someone else already had the problem, and their 
question (and the answer) is already there, waiting to be found.  What I 
do is google using this format:

Mac OS X "error message, key phrase, or tool name"

For instance, I found the link above by searching on:

Mac OS X "Network Diagnostics"

There are many more hits that you will probably find useful:

http://www.google.com/search?q=mac+os+x+"Network+Diagnostics"

Good luck,

jc