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In article <mwron-EE9CB5.14192825082003@enews.newsguy.com>,
 MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> * PowerPlant X for Mac OS X
> * PowerPlant reworked for OS X. Binaries are Mach-O only.
> * Can be built with version 8.3 as well as 9.

This is somewhat confusing (at least to me).  It should be noted that 
CWDS for Mac v9 comes with both the new PowerPlant X and the original 
PowerPlant frameworks.  The PowerPlant X (PPx) binaries use the Mach-O 
runtime architecture and the Carbon APIs.  PPx applications use features 
only available in Mac OS X 10.2 and later.  The original PowerPlant 
framework binaries can be Mach-O or PEF/CFM, and can use the Classic or 
Carbon APIs (this of course depends on whether or not you purchase the 
Classic PEF feature set of the product).

-- 
Isaac Wankerl
Metrowerks
Mac Software Developer

MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message news:<mwron-EE9CB5.14192825082003@enews.newsguy.com>...
> * PowerPlant X for Mac OS X
> * PowerPlant reworked for OS X. Binaries are Mach-O only.
> * Can be built with version 8.3 as well as 9.

2 quick questions:
- Is there a GUI editor for PPX?  Can Constructor put out the XML it
uses?  Or can PPx read in Nibs?
- I assume that you have to purchase 9 in order to get PPx.  What
advantage do I have for being able to build on an older version of the
compiler?

Thanks.

In article <47906ff7.0308271750.7c0fb8ee@posting.google.com>,
 lallysingh@mac.com (Lally Singh) wrote:

> - I assume that you have to purchase 9 in order to get PPx.  What
> advantage do I have for being able to build on an older version of the
> compiler?

I'm more productive on OS 9, so I'll be using Pro8.3 to compile PPx for 
awhile. I'm buying Pro9 mostly to get PPx, so I'm glad I can stay on OS 
9 with Pro8.3, but still build for X with PPx.

> - Is there a GUI editor for PPX?  Can Constructor put out the XML it
> uses?  Or can PPx read in Nibs?

There is no GUI editor for PPx yet. One is in development.

In the meantime, there is a utility which will convert 
Contrctor-gnerated PPob resources into PPx XML text files. And there is 
a utility which will convert Nibs to PPx XML text files.

> - I assume that you have to purchase 9 in order to get PPx.  What
> advantage do I have for being able to build on an older version of the
> compiler?

The CW 9 IDE only runs on Mac OS X. The CW 8.3 IDE runs on both Mac OS 9 
and X. So, the advantage is being able to edit and compile PPx code on 
OS 9.

Reasons you may want to do this:

(1) You prefer the OS 9 user interface. You can do your typing and 
editing on OS 9, and compile to check for syntax errors.

(2) You are running on a machine booted into 9 (which may or may not 
also have X installed). You can write and compile PPx code.

(3) Much of the code in PPx will run on Mac OS 9. Mostly, it's the view 
system, based on HIView, that requires Mac OS X 10.2. The Carbon Event, 
Core Foundation, and XML persistence classes all run on 9. So, you can 
use portions of PPx in projects that you build and run on 9 using CW 8.3.

-- Greg

Gregory Dow <bmug1@aol.com> wrote:

> The CW 9 IDE only runs on Mac OS X. The CW 8.3 IDE runs on both Mac OS 9
> and X. So, the advantage is being able to edit and compile PPx code on
> OS 9.

If I do not have CW 8.x, but buy CW 9, I have no way to use CW on OS9 ?

In article <1g0fy22.1wju8o418xegnwN%ward@megawolf.com>,
 ward@megawolf.com (ward mcfarland) wrote:

>Gregory Dow <bmug1@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> The CW 9 IDE only runs on Mac OS X. The CW 8.3 IDE runs on both Mac OS 9
>> and X. So, the advantage is being able to edit and compile PPx code on
>> OS 9.
>
>If I do not have CW 8.x, but buy CW 9, I have no way to use CW on OS9 ?

That is correct.

Ron

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MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message news:<mwron-EE9CB5.14192825082003@enews.newsguy.com>...
> * PowerPlant X for Mac OS X
> * PowerPlant reworked for OS X. Binaries are Mach-O only.
> * Can be built with version 8.3 as well as 9.

Will there be a porting guide for moving towards PPx?  Obviously, the
first step is to have a Mach-O application.  But a guide describing
the 'best practices' for taking advantage of PPx would be useful.

Sample projects are great for showing how to use the new classes and
such, but they don't always help when an existing project needs to be
updated to new classes and technologies.  What I'd really like to see
is a roadmap that shows how to go from one technology to the other.

A listing of C++ classes that have been replaced would be nice.  This
would be especially nice where the old classes still work.  Kinda like
this:
existing class that still works ---->>>> new class that does it better

In article <29898a0e.0309010836.1e449cbd@posting.google.com>,
 hoytk@us.ibm.com (Kevin Hoyt) wrote:

>MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message 
>news:<mwron-EE9CB5.14192825082003@enews.newsguy.com>...
>> * PowerPlant X for Mac OS X
>> * PowerPlant reworked for OS X. Binaries are Mach-O only.
>> * Can be built with version 8.3 as well as 9.
>
>Will there be a porting guide for moving towards PPx?  Obviously, the
>first step is to have a Mach-O application.  But a guide describing
>the 'best practices' for taking advantage of PPx would be useful.

There is 
PowerPlant_X_1.0_Migration_Guide.pdf  it seems to be all you need it to 
be for documentation,  There are PPx Example codes too.

Ron

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In article <mwron-CEBAEE.10475002092003@enews.newsguy.com>,
 MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> In article <29898a0e.0309010836.1e449cbd@posting.google.com>,
>  hoytk@us.ibm.com (Kevin Hoyt) wrote:
> 
> >MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message 
> >news:<mwron-EE9CB5.14192825082003@enews.newsguy.com>...
> >> * PowerPlant X for Mac OS X
> >> * PowerPlant reworked for OS X. Binaries are Mach-O only.
> >> * Can be built with version 8.3 as well as 9.
> >
> >Will there be a porting guide for moving towards PPx?  Obviously, the
> >first step is to have a Mach-O application.  But a guide describing
> >the 'best practices' for taking advantage of PPx would be useful.
> 
> There is 
> PowerPlant_X_1.0_Migration_Guide.pdf  it seems to be all you need it to 
> be for documentation,  There are PPx Example codes too.

Is this file available online? It will be a great starting point for us 
to evaluate moving to it or not.

In article <stephen-4B2924.14104502092003@news.fu-berlin.de>,
 Stephen Chu <stephen@ju-ju.com> wrote:

>In article <mwron-CEBAEE.10475002092003@enews.newsguy.com>,
> MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <29898a0e.0309010836.1e449cbd@posting.google.com>,
>>  hoytk@us.ibm.com (Kevin Hoyt) wrote:
>> 
>> >MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message 
>> >news:<mwron-EE9CB5.14192825082003@enews.newsguy.com>...
>> >> * PowerPlant X for Mac OS X
>> >> * PowerPlant reworked for OS X. Binaries are Mach-O only.
>> >> * Can be built with version 8.3 as well as 9.
>> >
>> >Will there be a porting guide for moving towards PPx?  Obviously, the
>> >first step is to have a Mach-O application.  But a guide describing
>> >the 'best practices' for taking advantage of PPx would be useful.
>> 
>> There is 
>> PowerPlant_X_1.0_Migration_Guide.pdf  it seems to be all you need it to 
>> be for documentation,  There are PPx Example codes too.
>
>Is this file available online? It will be a great starting point for us 
>to evaluate moving to it or not.

Not yet, but if you write me I will be happy to send it out.

Ron

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Gregory Dow <bmug1@aol.com> wrote in message news:<bmug1-3486BC.19283428082003@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
> > Is there a GUI editor for PPX?  Can Constructor put out the XML it
> > uses?  Or can PPx read in Nibs?
> 
> There is no GUI editor for PPx yet. One is in development.

Can Metrowerks make any commitment regarding whether this will be
included in the purchase price of CWDS9 but shipped later, or will it
be included with CWDS10, or something along those lines? I think it
would be very helpful if Metrowerks would officially say "this
component isn't done yet, but it ought to have been part of CWDS9, so
we will absolutely include it in 9.x at no additional charge when it's
ready".

Also, for what it's worth, I think that sort of tool should be
open-sourced, or at least opened up when it's gotten long in the
tooth. For example, it would be useful to have the source to the
existing Constructor since it is no longer being fixed or enhanced but
we're still using PowerPlant.

-----------------------
Philip Wasson
pwasson at maned dot com
Managing Editor Inc.

In article <cfe8099b.0309021347.78edb528@posting.google.com>,
 pwasson@mac.com (Philip D. Wasson) wrote:

>Gregory Dow <bmug1@aol.com> wrote in message 
>news:<bmug1-3486BC.19283428082003@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
>> > Is there a GUI editor for PPX?  Can Constructor put out the XML it
>> > uses?  Or can PPx read in Nibs?
>> 
>> There is no GUI editor for PPx yet. One is in development.
>
>Can Metrowerks make any commitment regarding whether this will be
>included in the purchase price of CWDS9 but shipped later, or will it
>be included with CWDS10, or something along those lines? 

The plan is to have it as an update for CW 9 I don't have  a date

> I think it
>would be very helpful if Metrowerks would officially say "this
>component isn't done yet, but it ought to have been part of CWDS9, so
>we will absolutely include it in 9.x at no additional charge when it's
>ready".

That is the plans, We did try to get it on CW 9 but it just wasn't ready 
with CW 9.

>Also, for what it's worth, I think that sort of tool should be
>open-sourced, or at least opened up when it's gotten long in the
>tooth. For example, it would be useful to have the source to the
>existing Constructor since it is no longer being fixed or enhanced but
>we're still using PowerPlant.

Hmm,  I'm not at all opposed to that  I will suggest it.

Ron

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