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In article <34F45039.F23087AC@sfsu.edu>, "Ms. Pac Man" <who2@sfsu.edu> wrote:

:> Hi all,
:> 
:> I find myself moving a lot of source code files back and forth from a PC
:> to a Mac (via zip disks) lately.  Usually the way it works is that a
:> file is initially created on a PC, some content is added to it and then
:> it gets popped onto a zip disk and shoved into a Mac.
:> 
:> The problem is that the Mac only reads the old DOS 8.3 filenames,
:> instead of the win95 long filenames, so with any filename longer than 8
:> characters, you get something nice and descriptive like SPRITE~1.cc
:> (should be SpriteClassDriver.cc).
:> 
:> What I want is a utility program that will run in the background on a
:> Mac and show the win95-style long filenames (if any) instead of the
:> fairly useless DOS-style filenames for any PC-formatted disk it reads.
:> 
:> If anyone can point me to a program that does this, I'd be grateful.
:> Oh, and on the off chance that one doesn't exists because it 'can't be
:> done', could someone tell me why not ? ;)
:> 
:> Much thanks in advance,
:> 
:> Ethan Vonderweid
:> ethan@vonderweid.com
:> 
:> (p.s.  if possible, please reply via email as I don't have access to a
:> reliable news reader very often)

There are two ways I know of offhand (cheap and/or free) to do what you
want.  One is to zip the files on the PC side, then unzip them on your
Mac.  I've done this with files at my desktop system at work (Win95), sent
them to myself at home, and unzipped them to find the filenames intact
(except, of course, I can't handle filenames over 31 characters).  The
other way is to upgrade to Mac OS 8.1, which has PC Exchange 2.2 and is
thus capable of recognizing Win95 long filenames on PC disks.

= Steve =

-- 
Steve W. Jackson,  Montgomery, Alabama
http://www.mindspring.com/~sjacksn/stevehome.html

}
}What I want is a utility program that will run in the background on a
}Mac and show the win95-style long filenames (if any) instead of the
}fairly useless DOS-style filenames for any PC-formatted disk it reads.
}
I seem to recall seeing on the OS 8.0->8.1 net install upgrade page, they
had a version of PC Exchange (the CP that works in the bkgd) that supported
long filenames - or it might have been the CP that comes in the
upgrade/install pkg
I am fairly certain that there is an Apple (freeware) product, either a
newer version of PC Exchange or MacLink Plus, that will do this

--
They asked me, 'Why don't you get a PC, it's what everyone else has'
And I replied, 'I would say you've just answered your own question'

Steve W. Jackson <steve.w.jackson@mindspring.com> wrote:

> In article <34F45039.F23087AC@sfsu.edu>, "Ms. Pac Man" <who2@sfsu.edu> wrote:
> 
> :> 
> :> The problem is that the Mac only reads the old DOS 8.3 filenames,
> :> instead of the win95 long filenames, so with any filename longer than 8
> :> characters, you get something nice and descriptive like SPRITE~1.cc
> :> (should be SpriteClassDriver.cc).
> :> 

That is because that is what is recorded on the disk, win95 really has
only 8 char filenames, it just uses a trick to interpreate them as
longer in the graphical part by using a lookup table.

> 
> There are two ways I know of offhand (cheap and/or free) to do what you
> want.  One is to zip the files on the PC side, then unzip them on your
> Mac.  I've done this with files at my desktop system at work (Win95), sent
> them to myself at home, and unzipped them to find the filenames intact
> (except, of course, I can't handle filenames over 31 characters).  The
> other way is to upgrade to Mac OS 8.1, which has PC Exchange 2.2 and is
> thus capable of recognizing Win95 long filenames on PC disks.

Yes, it saves the name in zip format because different machines have
different lookup tables. The only truly long filenames are in unix (256
char) but I can make somthing inteligible in 31.

C:> ~cngrtsw.n95

-- 
Mac user              Michael F. Tomkins
on a Unix internet    bahkyp@blitzen.canberra.edu.au
why do I need a PC?   University of Canberra, Australia.
                      http://blitzen.canberra.edu.au/~bahkyp/

In article <1d57j0f.1jvvi3572jtcaN@[10.0.2.15]>, "Michael F. Tomkins"
<michael@narcosis.apana.org.au> writes

>That is because that is what is recorded on the disk, win95 really has
>only 8 char filenames, it just uses a trick to interpreate them as
>longer in the graphical part by using a lookup table.

Actually it stores the 8.3 name in a normal FAT style directory entry
and the long name in subsequent 'special' directory entries. Both names
are therefore recorded in the directory: the legacy 8.3 name for
backwards compatibility and the long name.

-- 
http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software
Andy Armstrong, WonderWorks

Ms. Pac Man wrote in message <34F45039.F23087AC@sfsu.edu>...
>Hi all,
>
>I find myself moving a lot of source code files back and forth from a PC
>to a Mac (via zip disks) lately.  Usually the way it works is that a
>file is initially created on a PC, some content is added to it and then
>it gets popped onto a zip disk and shoved into a Mac.
>
>The problem is that the Mac only reads the old DOS 8.3 filenames,
>instead of the win95 long filenames, so with any filename longer than 8
>characters, you get something nice and descriptive like SPRITE~1.cc
>(should be SpriteClassDriver.cc).
>
>What I want is a utility program that will run in the background on a
>Mac and show the win95-style long filenames (if any) instead of the
>fairly useless DOS-style filenames for any PC-formatted disk it reads.
>
>If anyone can point me to a program that does this, I'd be grateful.
>Oh, and on the off chance that one doesn't exists because it 'can't be
>done', could someone tell me why not ? ;)
>
>Much thanks in advance,
>
>Ethan Vonderweid
>ethan@vonderweid.com
>
>(p.s.  if possible, please reply via email as I don't have access to a
>reliable news reader very often)
>

You should upgrade to OS 8.1 anyway, but also check out
http://www.mac2nt.com. In their downloads section they have lots of programs
that do that sort of stuff.


Michael Buckbee
nospam_michaelb@taglogix.com
(remove nospam_ before emailing)

I think Dos Mounter 95 solves this (and also shows the full mac named
files in Win 95, rather than renaming them to 8.3)
> Ms. Pac Man wrote in message <34F45039.F23087AC@sfsu.edu>...
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I find myself moving a lot of source code files back and forth from a PC
> >to a Mac (via zip disks) lately.  Usually the way it works is that a
> >file is initially created on a PC, some content is added to it and then
> >it gets popped onto a zip disk and shoved into a Mac.
> >
> >The problem is that the Mac only reads the old DOS 8.3 filenames,
> >instead of the win95 long filenames, so with any filename longer than 8
> >characters, you get something nice and descriptive like SPRITE~1.cc
> >(should be SpriteClassDriver.cc).
> >
> >What I want is a utility program that will run in the background on a
> >Mac and show the win95-style long filenames (if any) instead of the
> >fairly useless DOS-style filenames for any PC-formatted disk it reads.
> >
> >If anyone can point me to a program that does this, I'd be grateful.
> >Oh, and on the off chance that one doesn't exists because it 'can't be
> >done', could someone tell me why not ? ;)
> >
> >Much thanks in advance,
> >
> >Ethan Vonderweid
> >ethan@vonderweid.com
> >
> >(p.s.  if possible, please reply via email as I don't have access to a
> >reliable news reader very often)
> >
> 
> You should upgrade to OS 8.1 anyway, but also check out
> http://www.mac2nt.com. In their downloads section they have lots of programs
> that do that sort of stuff.
> 
> 
> Michael Buckbee
> nospam_michaelb@taglogix.com
> (remove nospam_ before emailing)

Try using ZIP/Stuffit to protect your docs during transfer, that has
worked
for me.  One small bug sometimes, when decompressed on PC side,
sometimes
it creates the datafork as a sep file, so open the larger of the 2 files
you get out of that process.

Regards
Hugh

Andy Armstrong wrote:

> In article <1d57j0f.1jvvi3572jtcaN@[10.0.2.15]>, "Michael F. Tomkins"
> <michael@narcosis.apana.org.au> writes
>
> >That is because that is what is recorded on the disk, win95 really has
> >only 8 char filenames, it just uses a trick to interpreate them as
> >longer in the graphical part by using a lookup table.
>
> Actually it stores the 8.3 name in a normal FAT style directory entry
> and the long name in subsequent 'special' directory entries. Both names
> are therefore recorded in the directory: the legacy 8.3 name for
> backwards compatibility and the long name.
>
> --
> http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software
> Andy Armstrong, WonderWorks



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