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Article #3730Re: Dropping bundled applications (was: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow) (long)
From: J.B. Nicholson-Owens
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 20:38
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 20:38
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felix.lugo writes > In functional terms, 3.0 got bigger due to all of the above > "features". I think that it did get bigger if you're into programming, but in terms of things that I can use out-of-the-box (e.g., I buy a new NeXT, open it up, hook it up, plug it in and turn it on) are definately smaller. NeXT has incredible potential, but potential is nothing unless you are a developer. Things that contribute to this are: * Sure there's Renderman and the Rendering stuff, but the only app that I can use with this is that crappy Previewer. I've been able to cause instant logout using the Teapot BackSpace view very easily and repeatably. Simply set the teapot to it's highest quality output and set the CPU usage (whatever it's called) to 0 (minimum) and background. Make it so it auto-launches on login and then logout and log back in. When I do this, the machine spins and whirs for a while (even drawing the big backgrund teapot image above all other data on the screen then jumping to the background) then I get kicked back to the NeXT login prompt. I know of no workaround except to not use the Teapot module. A 3.1 fix would be nice, but not something I'd concentrate efforts on; there are much bigger bugs to fix. * Sure there's AppleTalk, yet from what I'm hearing on the net, it's buggy and slow. People with no technical knowledge are not able to turn it on and watch it "just work". EPS had a very informative post on this issue. Something fixable in 3.1 would be to fix the problems previously addressed. * Sure there's Pantone colors, but I fail to see how that is worth mentioning if you're not given nice paint program to use with them. IconBuilder is hardly the place to build beautiful icons. I understand that NeXT went for stability rather than functionality on this issue, and they got that, however it leaves a lot more to be desired (as does this whole idea of NeXT's to not step on third-party developers potential apps). Some snazzy modules for IconBuilder would be a good thing for 3.1. But since that would be adding functionality instead of just fixing bugs, I suspect that NeXT is waiting for other developers to pick up on this one. * With no WriteNow!, there's NO word processing that comes with the NeXT out of the box. I don't consider Edit for this purpose, because you can't do things that people *must have* like page numbering, and headers and footers. This is a major blow to NeXT because a lot of people might love the NeXTSTEP GUI, and all that it offers, but with no immediately useable apps, there's no way to get the stuff done that needs to get done; the stuff that formed the reason behind getting a computer....any computer. In fact if I weren't so much a NeXTSTEP fan and into heavy use of desktop publishing (which is how I would start summarizing most computer consumers), this would be enough to make me buy a Mac or an IBM -- something which I can go to a local software store, plunk down some cash and get a very nice word processor. I would never consider buying a NeXT just to run a Mac or IBM emulator so I could have access to Microsoft Word. I understand that this situation with WriteNow! has been this way for a long time, but that doesn't excuse it's existence. The Read-Only WN! could be bundled with 3.1 just so people could read the NeXT-provided WN! format documentation supplied with 3.0. * The built-in spell checker (a major function of most computers in use today) is broken in 3.0. If you try to save (or "Learn") words, they aren't saved anywhere and are, consequently, "Forgotten" next time you log in. A greatly-anticipated 3.1 fix. * The ads talk about supporting 7 languages. In reality, the languages supported are English, English, English, English, English, English, and a smattering of 6 other languages in windows and menu buttons. Certainly not enough localization to warrant advertising 7-language localization. This is something that could easily be fixed in 3.1, though. * NeXT talks heavily about being able to easily share data with co-workers via remote objects and all that yet you can only link graphics. It would be nice to be able to link something other than graphics. For instance, I tried opening two windows in Edit and linking data from one to the other via "Paste and Link". The data was text and it put up a panel that said "No linked graphics found." and sure enough, the text wasn't linked either. Even though only graphics can be linked, I suppose NeXT is letting the third-party devlopers pick up the slack on this one, but since the Link source is proprietary, perhaps a 3.1 Link extension is in store? It would be a real shame to let this go. It's so much easier to understand just from reading the literature than the Mac's Publish and Subscribe. * Some software is priced too high for what it offers. NeXTConnection wants $200 for WriteNow!. Prices on software is another factor to consider in NeXT's long-term future. If NeXT is to become a machine used by professionals and college-level users alike, software prices might scare away potential users. 3.1 can't fix this entirely (making Edit do page numbers and headers/footers would at least give us a survival-level word processor), but increasing the number of developers could help. This gets into the big messy problem of economics which I don't want to talk about here, but $200 for WriteNow! from NeXTConnection is a little too steep considering what WriteNow! needs. * Cube and B&W slab owners are out in the cold for color. NeXTdimension boards are an out and out ripoff even at current used prices ($4k? No way. It's worth about $1500 tops) and NeXT isn't doing anything to change that. There's no alternative to selling what you have and purchasing something else. That's no upgrade. Lowering the price on the ND board, creating a fairly-priced (aka, under $1,000) board that has just NeXTstation color-quality output would be fine. The long of the short of it is that with the combined forces described above, there's no way the NeXT is going to make big sales in general consumer levels any time soon. I also think that at the current cost in getting involved with NeXT, increasing numbers of people who bought NeXT computers educationally will be dropping out to other platforms unless NeXT does something. With NeXT's tiny user base (and the lack of ability to recoup investments because of it) nobody will get rich developing for the NeXT. Hopefully, someday, this will change. > Personally, I'm glad NeXT decided to drop WriteNow and move their > efforts to providing things like PSII and application links. I don't think any considerable effort was expended by bundling WN! as a read-only application. However, I too like Postscript Level II and application links, but some apps using the latter would be nice too. As I hear people on the net describe NeXT's advantages, I get the feeling that NeXT machines (like UNIX) are developer-only to a great degree. > Now, if they > would only push their development staff to FIX all the problems that still > exist (and have existed for quite some time, like the Librarian)!? I agree with this. 3.1 perhaps. I think it would be unfair for NeXT to charge anything for 3.1 but the cost of the distribution media and shipping. After all, the bugs are theirs. -- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail ok
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: Dropping bundled applications (was: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow) (long) References: <1992Oct4.153839.16226@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> Message-ID: <BvM6ov.GtG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:38:53 GMT Lines: 126