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Article #4891Re: Why is NeXT ignored?
From: kevins
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:50
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:50
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Michael C. Neuman writes
-> In article <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu
(Lee
-> Furnival) writes:
-> >Now I must admit that I do not read UNIXWorld regularly, but the few times
-> >that I have read it I have never seen NeXT mentioned for any reason. What
-> >the hell? Also, I have yet to hear any UNIX freaks mention NeXT in a
-> >serious discussion, yet they live to talk about SUN and others...
->
-> NeXT is a toy, whereas Suns, SGIs, etc, are "real" computers:
-> 1) If I need a little more power than my 68040, I can't buy a 'fast' NeXT,
-> whereas SUN has about a half a dozen models, some of which are very high
-> performance. (and I may not even need to buy a complete new system!)
-> 2) Sun is directly upgradable to 24 bit, faster processors, and offers a
-> variety of plug in Zorro cards. NeXT, on the other hand, forces a user to
-> buy a NEW machine to get 24 bit color, only offers a faster 68040 for speed,
-> and there exist virtually no plug in cards (since only a dimension supports
-> them anyway!)
How much would it cost you to upgrade that Sun with all the nice
things. Bunches I bet.
-> 3) People actually WRITE software for the Sun. NeXT is so stuck on their
-> Objective-C crap, that no one actually writes anything. Just compare the
number
-> of X applications written on a Sun versus the number of NeXTstep apps
written
-> on a NeXT. Even the NeXT users who claim to know how to program in
Objective-C
-> DON'T WRITE ANYTHING. (Just take a look at the number of free 3.0
applications
-> on sonata (even in incoming). Consider the number of games that exist, and
-> consider NO speech program exists for the NeXT except commercially. I
remember,
-> when I owned my Amiga, speech came WITH the computer, and it even had
inferior
-> hardware, and games were abundant because EVERYONE could program an
Amiga--with
-> just a little C knowledge. I'll take a ton of applications in a non object-
-> oriented language any day over NeXT, who forced Obj-C down our throats,
-> everyone claims to like it, then never actually produce anything.) (I only
-> use games as an example because, in general, people are much more motivated
-> to write games than anything else, and since NeXT is proud of their
college-kid
-> market, it would seem THEY would be the ones to be producing tons of games.)
Horse pucky! 95% of all free X apps are just pain junk. The nice apps
are not free and will cost you an arm and a leg. Anyone know how much a
development pkg costs that will run under X on the Sun. Don't forget it needs
to have all the tools that the NeXT has.
-> 4) The ONLY benefit NeXT offers over Sun is the user interface. And if you
-> consider that, how often to you hear Mac being referred to as a 'real'
-> computer by anyone other than a computer illiterate?
->
The user interface is EVERYTHING when it comes to working (using or
developing) on a computer. If you spent hours fumbling with a crappy interface
it doesn't matter how fast you can compile. Sure the NeXT may not be as fast as
a Sun but it definitly gets the overall job done quicker.
If you want an NFS server buy a Sun. If you wan't to get something done buy a
NeXT.
-> --
-> Mike Neuman mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu
-> "To make a machine that will be proud of us." - Thinking Machine's motto
->
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-> * Maintainer: NeXT netrek archive--b62103.student.cwru.edu:/pub/games/netrek
*
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Kevin Solie
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