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3 total messages Started by Gary K. Jacobs Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:46
NS486 Confusion
#4401
Author: Gary K. Jacobs
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:46
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I am looking into a 486 system for home use that I will be able to  
use NS486 on when it comes out. I thought that this would be a simple  
purchase. Ugh! Now I remember why I abandoned PCs 3 years ago to  
purchase a real NeXT! Trying to spec out a system now that I am  
confident will run NS486 next year is a nightmare. First, it is  
difficult to get a "fact sheet" that is factual about what is needed.  
There are some incredible discussions going on in the intel and ibm  
newgroups about NS486. That is the good news, they certainly are  
aware of it and are interested!. The big discussion right now is the  
Cyrix 486SLC chip versus "real" 486SX & 486DX chips. There is also  
confusion about video cards and bus requirements.

If anyone in NeXT_Land can provide a clear statement about hardware  
requirements for NS486, it would be a huge contribution.

gary
Re: NS486 Confusion - Some answers
#4465
Author: Alastair Thomson
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:42
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In article <1992Dec16.124603.2736@ornl.gov>, gkj@jacobs.esd.ornl.gov (Gary K. Jacobs) writes:
> If anyone in NeXT_Land can provide a clear statement about hardware  
> requirements for NS486, it would be a huge contribution.
This is the "Official" list of hardware requirements from NeXT, it was sent to
me about four days ago by an engineer at NeXT.


General Requirements:

CPU - 486 based PC Compatible Computer. This includes 486SX, 486DX,  
486DX/2. Future Intel Microprocessor designs in the x86 family will  
also be supported. ISA or EISA expansion bus. 486DX and 486DX/2's are  
recommended for better performance.

Available Hard Disk Space - User Environment, 120 MB Minimum.  
Developer Environment, 330 MB Minimum. Larger local disks are  
recommended for stand alone systems.

Graphics:

NeXTSTEP 486's Display Postscript Graphics system supports both  
Grayscale and Color on 486 based PC's. The Graphics Adapter support  
and RAM requirements vary depending upon the user's selection of  
Grayscale or Color.

2 Bit Grayscale System Support:

Graphics Adapters - Most VESA (Video Electronics Standards  
Association) compatible VGA or Super VGA Graphics Adapters. This  
includes popular Super VGA cards from vendors such as the Orchid,  
ATI, Paradise, Video Seven and Compaq. These graphics adapters will  
be supported at resolutions of 1024x768, 800x600 and 640x480.  
Resolutions at or above 800x600 are recommended.

RAM - Minimum 8 MB, 12 MB Recommended.

16 Bit Color System Support:

Graphics Adapters - In order to provide adequate performance and  
Color Quality, NeXTSTEP 486 requires High Performance "Workstation"  
style Graphics Adapters. Many new Graphics Systems are being  
introduced that meet these requirements, they include Intel JAWS  
(such as DELL Processor-Direct Graphics), Chips and Technologies  
Wingine, and certain Local Bus Graphics adapters. Depending upon the  
size of available VRAM (Video RAM) resolutions of 800x600, 1024x768,  
1120x832 and 1280x1024 will be supported. Graphics Adapters designed  
for EISA based PC's are available (such as Compaq QVision 1024/E and  
ATI Graphics Ultra Pro) or being developed, these are currently being  
evaluated for performance and may provide an easy upgrade for  
existing EISA PC's.

RAM - Minimum 16 MB, 24 MB Recommended.

Additional Device Support:

Disk Interfaces - Both IDE and SCSI Hard Disk Interfaces will be  
supported. SCSI adapters from Adaptec and DPT (for both ISA and EISA)  
will be supported, with more to follow.

Pointing Devices - Microsoft and Logitec compatible Bus, PS/2 port  
and Serial mice are supported. In addition certain graphics tablets  
will also be supported.

Printer Support - Any Postscript Level I or II printer connected via  
a serial or parallel port, including the NeXT Color Printer  
(connected via a SCSI port). Support of Non-Postscript printers will  
be available in a future release.

Networking Support  - ISA and EISA based Networking Adapters will be  
supported including Ethernet and Token Ring Cards from vendors such  
as SMC (Western Digital), Intel and 3Com. A Networking card is  
optional.

Sound Support  - Most popular PC sound Cards will be supported for  
both Playback and Recording. These include PC Sound Adapters such as  
the Sound Blaster, MediaVision Pro Audio Spectrum and Integrated  
Business Audio from Compaq. A Sound card is optional.

ISDN Support   - NeXTSTEP 486 will also support high speed digital  
ISDN connections through an ISA add-on card.

Additional Devices - Other popular PC peripherals such as FAX/Modems  
and FAX/Modem add-on cards will be supported.

> The big discussion right now is the  
> Cyrix 486SLC chip versus "real" 486SX & 486DX chips. There is also  
> confusion about video cards and bus requirements.
> 

NeXT have also said specifically that the Cyrix 486SLC *WONT* run NS486 bacos
it is not a 'true' 486, its just an enhaced 386.


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Alastair Thomson,                   | Phone +64-3-479-8347
University of Otago,                | Fax   +64-3-479-8529
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Re: NS486 Confusion - Some answers
#4501
Author: David Lemson
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:13
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athomson@otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) writes:

>16 Bit Color System Support:

>Graphics Adapters - In order to provide adequate performance and  
>Color Quality, NeXTSTEP 486 requires High Performance "Workstation"  
>style Graphics Adapters. Many new Graphics Systems are being  
>introduced that meet these requirements, they include Intel JAWS  
>(such as DELL Processor-Direct Graphics), Chips and Technologies  
>Wingine, and certain Local Bus Graphics adapters. Depending upon the  
>size of available VRAM (Video RAM) resolutions of 800x600, 1024x768,  
>1120x832 and 1280x1024 will be supported. Graphics Adapters designed  
>for EISA based PC's are available (such as Compaq QVision 1024/E and  
>ATI Graphics Ultra Pro) or being developed, these are currently being  
>evaluated for performance and may provide an easy upgrade for  
>existing EISA PC's.

Can someone authoritatively tell me:
Will I be able to buy a video card that will run NS486 in Color that
plugs into a VESA Local Bus slot?
I am about to buy a 486 machine and this makes a big difference.  I
do not need to buy an EISA machine if I buy a machine with 3 Local
Bus slots: One for an ATI Ultra Pro, one for a 32-bit hard drive
adaptor, and one for a future product (maybe Ethernet). I would
almost accept being told 'We're not sure that it will run with the
ATI Local Bus card, BUT we can tell you that VESA Local Bus is fast
enough and some card will exist that will make it run, like JAWS'.
Anyone want to comment on this plan?


>Additional Device Support:

>Disk Interfaces - Both IDE and SCSI Hard Disk Interfaces will be  
>supported. SCSI adapters from Adaptec and DPT (for both ISA and EISA)  
>will be supported, with more to follow.

Someone in a different thread was worried that IDE would not be
supported.  Hopefully Local Bus IDE controllers will be supported!
 
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
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