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Started by Gary K. Jacobs
Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:46
NS486 Confusion
Author: Gary K. Jacobs
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:46
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:46
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I am looking into a 486 system for home use that I will be able to use NS486 on when it comes out. I thought that this would be a simple purchase. Ugh! Now I remember why I abandoned PCs 3 years ago to purchase a real NeXT! Trying to spec out a system now that I am confident will run NS486 next year is a nightmare. First, it is difficult to get a "fact sheet" that is factual about what is needed. There are some incredible discussions going on in the intel and ibm newgroups about NS486. That is the good news, they certainly are aware of it and are interested!. The big discussion right now is the Cyrix 486SLC chip versus "real" 486SX & 486DX chips. There is also confusion about video cards and bus requirements. If anyone in NeXT_Land can provide a clear statement about hardware requirements for NS486, it would be a huge contribution. gary
Re: NS486 Confusion - Some answers
Author: Alastair Thomson
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:42
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:42
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In article <1992Dec16.124603.2736@ornl.gov>, gkj@jacobs.esd.ornl.gov (Gary K. Jacobs) writes:
> If anyone in NeXT_Land can provide a clear statement about hardware
> requirements for NS486, it would be a huge contribution.
This is the "Official" list of hardware requirements from NeXT, it was sent to
me about four days ago by an engineer at NeXT.
General Requirements:
CPU - 486 based PC Compatible Computer. This includes 486SX, 486DX,
486DX/2. Future Intel Microprocessor designs in the x86 family will
also be supported. ISA or EISA expansion bus. 486DX and 486DX/2's are
recommended for better performance.
Available Hard Disk Space - User Environment, 120 MB Minimum.
Developer Environment, 330 MB Minimum. Larger local disks are
recommended for stand alone systems.
Graphics:
NeXTSTEP 486's Display Postscript Graphics system supports both
Grayscale and Color on 486 based PC's. The Graphics Adapter support
and RAM requirements vary depending upon the user's selection of
Grayscale or Color.
2 Bit Grayscale System Support:
Graphics Adapters - Most VESA (Video Electronics Standards
Association) compatible VGA or Super VGA Graphics Adapters. This
includes popular Super VGA cards from vendors such as the Orchid,
ATI, Paradise, Video Seven and Compaq. These graphics adapters will
be supported at resolutions of 1024x768, 800x600 and 640x480.
Resolutions at or above 800x600 are recommended.
RAM - Minimum 8 MB, 12 MB Recommended.
16 Bit Color System Support:
Graphics Adapters - In order to provide adequate performance and
Color Quality, NeXTSTEP 486 requires High Performance "Workstation"
style Graphics Adapters. Many new Graphics Systems are being
introduced that meet these requirements, they include Intel JAWS
(such as DELL Processor-Direct Graphics), Chips and Technologies
Wingine, and certain Local Bus Graphics adapters. Depending upon the
size of available VRAM (Video RAM) resolutions of 800x600, 1024x768,
1120x832 and 1280x1024 will be supported. Graphics Adapters designed
for EISA based PC's are available (such as Compaq QVision 1024/E and
ATI Graphics Ultra Pro) or being developed, these are currently being
evaluated for performance and may provide an easy upgrade for
existing EISA PC's.
RAM - Minimum 16 MB, 24 MB Recommended.
Additional Device Support:
Disk Interfaces - Both IDE and SCSI Hard Disk Interfaces will be
supported. SCSI adapters from Adaptec and DPT (for both ISA and EISA)
will be supported, with more to follow.
Pointing Devices - Microsoft and Logitec compatible Bus, PS/2 port
and Serial mice are supported. In addition certain graphics tablets
will also be supported.
Printer Support - Any Postscript Level I or II printer connected via
a serial or parallel port, including the NeXT Color Printer
(connected via a SCSI port). Support of Non-Postscript printers will
be available in a future release.
Networking Support - ISA and EISA based Networking Adapters will be
supported including Ethernet and Token Ring Cards from vendors such
as SMC (Western Digital), Intel and 3Com. A Networking card is
optional.
Sound Support - Most popular PC sound Cards will be supported for
both Playback and Recording. These include PC Sound Adapters such as
the Sound Blaster, MediaVision Pro Audio Spectrum and Integrated
Business Audio from Compaq. A Sound card is optional.
ISDN Support - NeXTSTEP 486 will also support high speed digital
ISDN connections through an ISA add-on card.
Additional Devices - Other popular PC peripherals such as FAX/Modems
and FAX/Modem add-on cards will be supported.
> The big discussion right now is the
> Cyrix 486SLC chip versus "real" 486SX & 486DX chips. There is also
> confusion about video cards and bus requirements.
>
NeXT have also said specifically that the Cyrix 486SLC *WONT* run NS486 bacos
it is not a 'true' 486, its just an enhaced 386.
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Re: NS486 Confusion - Some answers
Author: David Lemson
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:13
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:13
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athomson@otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) writes: >16 Bit Color System Support: >Graphics Adapters - In order to provide adequate performance and >Color Quality, NeXTSTEP 486 requires High Performance "Workstation" >style Graphics Adapters. Many new Graphics Systems are being >introduced that meet these requirements, they include Intel JAWS >(such as DELL Processor-Direct Graphics), Chips and Technologies >Wingine, and certain Local Bus Graphics adapters. Depending upon the >size of available VRAM (Video RAM) resolutions of 800x600, 1024x768, >1120x832 and 1280x1024 will be supported. Graphics Adapters designed >for EISA based PC's are available (such as Compaq QVision 1024/E and >ATI Graphics Ultra Pro) or being developed, these are currently being >evaluated for performance and may provide an easy upgrade for >existing EISA PC's. Can someone authoritatively tell me: Will I be able to buy a video card that will run NS486 in Color that plugs into a VESA Local Bus slot? I am about to buy a 486 machine and this makes a big difference. I do not need to buy an EISA machine if I buy a machine with 3 Local Bus slots: One for an ATI Ultra Pro, one for a 32-bit hard drive adaptor, and one for a future product (maybe Ethernet). I would almost accept being told 'We're not sure that it will run with the ATI Local Bus card, BUT we can tell you that VESA Local Bus is fast enough and some card will exist that will make it run, like JAWS'. Anyone want to comment on this plan? >Additional Device Support: >Disk Interfaces - Both IDE and SCSI Hard Disk Interfaces will be >supported. SCSI adapters from Adaptec and DPT (for both ISA and EISA) >will be supported, with more to follow. Someone in a different thread was worried that IDE would not be supported. Hopefully Local Bus IDE controllers will be supported! -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
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