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Article #2809Re: Debate: PowerMac "trounces" Pentium....???
From: Chad Irby
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:41
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:41
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Garby Leon (garb@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : : The 200Mhz Pentium Pro Spec benchmarks (8.09 SPECint95) show that on 32 : bit code, it's integer performance beats anything now available, : including the 300Mhz Dec Alpha (7.33 Specint95) and 133Mhz Power PC 604 : (4.07 SPECint95). Well, besides the fact that the 604 is available at 150 MHz, you're comparing "preliminary SPECs" versus SPECmarks in a selling computer. We won't even go into the troubles of comparing SPECmarks on certain machines, which can be a dead end- the new UltraSPARC machine gets beat on SPECs by the PPro 150, but due to the architecture of the Ultra machines, they *murder* the PPro in real operations (like running operations on graphics arrays). Intel always releases these incredibly impressive numbers a few months before they make a chip ready for market, and then when people start making computers with that chip, everyone's really surprised to find that the *real* machines end up running anywhere from 20% to 30% below those original numbers. And real-world performance is always a *lot* slower than even the honest numbers. And then Intel finds "bugs" in their compilers, bringing the numbers down some, or just quietly change the numbers on their website, rewriting history... : It even beats the estimated performance of any Power : PC chip yet talked about including the new PowerPC 620 (225 Specin92). The 620? How about the 604e? The current line on the 620 is that it's being redesigned, and the last I heard, the 604e should be out sometime this year in a faster (200 MHz+) model that should give performance about even with the real-world PPro 200 MHz machines. You know, about the same time they make PPro computers that really *use* the 200 MHz chip (not just old Pentium mother boards that have been hacked to hold the PPro). And about six months before they make PPro computers that have anything *near* the currently-announced speeds. And you know the cool part? Most of the mid-to-high range PMacs will be easily upgradable to the faster chip, due to the daughterboard that's used on many of the newer machines. So the 7500 I'm planning on getting this month (or possibly a Power Computing PowerCurve model) could soon be a 200 MHz 604e... : Too add insult to injury, some industry analysts that have taken an : in-depth look at the architecture and are speculating that the : architecture will support clock frequencies nearly twice as high as : those released. It may be possible that Intel is sandbagging on Pentium : Pro performance in order to keep sales of Pentiums strong. ...or it's possible that the analysts are just a little bit wrong. Not to mention that little company in California that is working on a 700 (yes, seven *hundred*) MHz version of the PPC. : You have to be quick to keep up with the Microprocessor market. : The Byte benchmarks and the PC magazine benchmarks are last years news. : For more information check out the performance section of Intels Web : site at: : : http://www-us-east.intel.com/procs/perf/index.html You also have to keep up with the news. I wouldn't trust Intel's numbers at all. They were "estimated" using Intel "reference computers" running software generated on Intel's "reference compiler," and have no bearing on reality. other than as an example of how far someone can stretch the truth in order to gain sales. -- Chad Irby / My greatest fear: that future generations will, cirby@gate.net / for some reason, refer to me as an "optimist."
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gate.net!not-for-mail From: cirby@gate.net (Chad Irby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.powerpc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.intel Subject: Re: Debate: PowerMac "trounces" Pentium....??? Date: 15 Jan 1996 11:41:49 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Message-ID: <4de04d$ekmm@navajo.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: navajo.gate.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0]