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7 total messages Started by Shawn V. Hernan Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:00
P6: Problems even with 32-bit Apps
#1764
Author: Shawn V. Hernan
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:00
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According to the current "Info World" , pp 12: 

"In the wake of more extensive testing of the Intel Corp P6, it has
become clear that the processor does not deliver significant
performance improvement over the Pentium when running 32-bit
applications in Windows 95." 

The article goes on to describe performance gains of only 15% when
using 32-bit apps on 133MHz pentium systems and 133 MHz P6 systems.
They further attribute much of the disappointing performance to the
fact that there is so much 16-bit code in Win95. 

Under other OS's, the P6 should probably perform much better, and of
course, these results aren't conclusive, but its certainly indicative
of a serious problem for Microsoft. I don't think they could possibly
sell NT the way they've sold Win95, given the time frame. 

It appears that the P6 could be in serious trouble (well, it won't be
as successful as the 486 or Pentium, which is to say that it will sell
well, but not necessarily continue to dominate the market). 

Shawn

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Re: P6: Problems even with 32-bit Apps
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Author: R S Rodgers
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:59
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In article <41t79n$4ml@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
Shawn V. Hernan <valentin+@pitt.edu> wrote:
>It appears that the P6 could be in serious trouble (well, it won't be
>as successful as the 486 or Pentium, which is to say that it will sell
>well, but not necessarily continue to dominate the market). 

It doesn't have to.  It merely has to outperform the M1 and K5.  The Pentium
already won the real battle -- another CPU line (PowerPC) wont have a big 
chance to grab marketshare for several more years.

>The University of Pittsburgh   | Dump the RICO Laws

Why?


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---- Windows 95 and NT: IBM's OS choices for IBM hardware, x86 and PowerPC ----
"That's not our primary target.  There are people out there who love 
 [OS/2 Warp] on the desktop, but our focus is on large enterprise customers."
	-- chief executive officer Louis Gerstner (IBM) (July, 1995)
Re: P6: Problems even with 32-bit Apps
#1817
Author: Andrew Chang
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 17:17
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R S Rodgers <rsrodger@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
>Shawn V. Hernan <valentin+@pitt.edu> wrote:
>>It appears that the P6 could be in serious trouble (well, it won't be
>>as successful as the 486 or Pentium, which is to say that it will sell
>>well, but not necessarily continue to dominate the market). 
>
>It doesn't have to.  It merely has to outperform the M1 and K5.  The Pentium
>already won the real battle -- another CPU line (PowerPC) wont have a big 
>chance to grab marketshare for several more years.

	You sure?  I thought one of those two Pentium competitors already 
had some 30% increase per MHz.  And they are coming out sooner.  What 
with the divergence in x86-compatible chips, I don't really see the 
reason why Intel would necessarily design the fastest nth-generation chip.

Followups to comp.sys.intel.

						Andrew
Re: P6: Problems even with 32-bit Apps
#1820
Author: Anthony D. Tribelli
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 20:42
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Shawn V. Hernan (valentin+@pitt.edu) wrote:
: It appears that the P6 could be in serious trouble (well, it won't be
: as successful as the 486 or Pentium, which is to say that it will sell
: well, but not necessarily continue to dominate the market). 

If P6s eventually go to much higher clock rates than the Pentiums and as a
result have better overall performance, despite 16-bit inefficiencies, why
won't they be successful in the Intel compatible market? 

Tony
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Re: P6: Problems even with 32-bit Apps
#1822
Author: Gabriel Velasco
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:58
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rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) wrote:
>The Pentium
>already won the real battle -- another CPU line (PowerPC) wont have a big 
>chance to grab marketshare for several more years.

I'm not sure to which battle you refer.  Are you talking about the battle
between Intel compatible chips or all computer chips.  There was never a battle
between Intel compatible and anything else on PC compatible systems.  If you're
talking about the battle between Pentium and other Intel compatible chips, it
hasn't even won that.  There are still more 486 systems out there than there
are Pentium systems.  If you're talking about the battle between Pentium and
all other CPUs, it hasn't won that either.  The Pentium is only the processor
of choice for PC systems.  PowerPC has successfully replaced M6K on Macs.  All
the latest UNIX workstations use RISC chips.  That means that PC systems are
the only ones left using CISC technology.  If you were to recommend to SGI that
they use any Intel chip, they would just laugh in your face.

>---- Windows 95 and NT: IBM's OS choices for IBM hardware, x86 and PowerPC ----

Win95 is IBM's customer's choice for IBM hardware.  It says a lot about a
company that they are willing to preload a competitors system on their hardware
and even strongly support it to keep their customer's happy.  It makes one
wonder, "If Microsoft was in the business of selling hardware, would they be as
willing to preinstall OS/2 for their customers that wanted it?"

NT isn't their OS of choice for the PPC; AIX is.

>"That's not our primary target.  There are people out there who love 
> [OS/2 Warp] on the desktop, but our focus is on large enterprise customers."
>	-- chief executive officer Louis Gerstner (IBM) (July, 1995)

Not a bad business decision.  He didn't say that the personal desktop is not a
target.  He just said that it's not their PRIMARY target.  They want OS/2 to be
as useful to the large enterprise customer as it is to the home user.  They
don't want to have to offer two separate solutions like Microsoft does.  They
believe one program can cover both users.  Eventually, they want to be able to
run an OS/2-like system on everything from palm-tops to super-computers.  They
don't want people to have to learn a new operating system and buy new
applications simply because they've outgrown their present system.  They have a
much bigger picture in mind.  They want to be able to easily transition their
PC customers to workstations and their workstation customers to minis and so
on.

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Re: P6: Problems even with 32-bit Apps
#1916
Author: Philip Machanick
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1995 13:20
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In article <420624$hsb@soenews.ucsd.edu>, Gabriel Velasco
<gvelasco@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> NT isn't their OS of choice for the PPC; AIX is.

That wouldn't surprise me. They are trying to sell systems with a 66MHz
601 as workstations here for the price of a real workstation, like a
133MHz SGI Indy. Or about double the price of a PowerMac 9500. I doubt
they could get away with selling an NT system at that sort of pricing.
-- 
Philip Machanick             Department of Computer Science
University of the Witwatersrand,   2050 Wits,  South Africa
phone 27(11)716-3309                     fax 27(11)339-7965
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Re: P6: Problems even with 32-bit Apps
#1976
Author: Jani Miettinen
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 05:02
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R S Rodgers (rsrodger@wam.umd.edu) wrote:
: In article <41t79n$4ml@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
: Shawn V. Hernan <valentin+@pitt.edu> wrote:
: >It appears that the P6 could be in serious trouble (well, it won't be
: >as successful as the 486 or Pentium, which is to say that it will sell
: >well, but not necessarily continue to dominate the market). 

: It doesn't have to.  It merely has to outperform the M1 and K5.  The Pentium
: already won the real battle.

How come? Many people are still without Pentium and are just about to uppgrade
within 1 year. There is still time for Cyrix and AMD to show people their
chips performance and little time (not much) to bring those chips to mass
market.

: -- another CPU line (PowerPC) wont have a big chance to grab marketshare 
: for several more years.

I don't think they are even trying to do so today.
I suppose they are waiting the moment when Windows is dead (after Memphis? or
maybe before it, who knows who cares) and Win NT is the OS.

--
	Jani Miettinen  
	t93074@mail.vitech.fi
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