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3 total messages Started by Andy Pfiffer Thu, 19 Oct 1989 20:40
Re: GNU C for the transputer
#339
Author: Andy Pfiffer
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1989 20:40
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 +---- Erik Schoenfelder in "Subject: Re: GNU C for the transputer" - Tue Oct 17 @10:42pm
 | 
 | An idea is to use the fast built-in memory of the transputer like
 | registers (with a accesstime between 1 cycle and 5 (?) cycles).
 | (Nice idea: It will be possible to get the address of a register variable :-)
 | But this results in a compiler for a (virtual) processor based on
 | the transputer-processor.
 +----

The problem with using the on-chip RAM as register variables is that if you
want more than one GCC-produced binary running on the Transputer at a time,
you have introduced a management problem; you must now context-switch
on-chip RAM (or portions of it) between processes.

It might be just the thing, however, for monolithic (as in one executable
per node) environments.

Perhaps you could limit each process to, say, 8 words of on-chip RAM and
at process start-up, assign the "base" address of your pseudo-register set
to an unused 8-word slot.  That would limit you, however, to a few less
than 128 processes (assuming a T800; you can't use all 4KB of on-chip RAM).
Quite reasonable, actually.

You don't get anything for free, however.  You will still have to pay some
cycles in referencing your on-chip pseudo-register set.  Assuming we keep
the base address of our pseudo-register set in a workspace-based variable,
it might look something like this:

	ldl  regbase
	ldnl 4
	add
	.
	.

in which case if your workspace is off-chip you've made matters much worse
by *still* referencing your workspace.

You can also play some games by using "mint" as a base address.

A better solution might be to design a new Transputer that maintained a small,
say 16-word, Transputer-maintained data-cache of the top 16-words of the
workspace.

The best solution might be to throw an R3000*, an R3010*, two 8-channel
NCR-SCSI Sripts processors, a Virtual-Cut-Through router, and a few
100Mb/sec FDDI controllers into a centrifuge and pour the resulting goo
into a 12x12 PGA.


	Andy

*Acceptable substitutions may also include 88100 and 88200, or the daily
 special from Your Friendly Neighborhood RISC Store.


--
Andy Pfiffer			  Topologix, Inc. (303) 421-7700
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"...that's the way a Transputer works, right?"
Re: GNU C for the transputer
#343
Author: Hubert Matthews
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1989 10:35
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One of the problems with porting a non-transputer C compiler to the
transputer is the transputer's evaluation stack.  One can simulate
registers using on-chip RAM, in which case the evaluation stack is
barely used and all of the loads and stores to and from RAM slow down
expression evaluation a lot.  If, on the other hand, one uses the
stack for expression evaluation, then one has to be very careful about
stack overflow (the stack is only three elements deep).  A peephole
optimiser would clean up a lot of the loads and stores associated with
the first approach, but the second approach would need a quite
different code generation algorithm.

Would someone who has written for the transputer or ported any form of
compiler to the transputer please comment on the feasability or
difficulty of these two approaches, or tell us what transputer
compilers really do.

-- 
Hubert Matthews      ...helping make the world a quote-free zone...
hjm@cernvax.cern.ch   hjm@vxomeg.decnet.cern.ch    ...!mcvax!cernvax!hjm
Re: GNU C for the transputer
#350
Author: Erik Schoenfelder
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1989 15:24
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In article <8910192040.AA20132@topologix.com> andy@topologix.UUCP 
(Andy Pfiffer) writes:

Andy>   The problem with using the on-chip RAM as register variables
Andy>   is that if you want more than one GCC-produced binary running
Andy>   on the Transputer at a time, you have introduced a management
Andy>   problem; you must now context-switch on-chip RAM (or portions
Andy>   of it) between processes.

Yes, you are right.

Andy>	A better solution might be to design a new Transputer ...

Andy>	The best solution might be to throw an R3000*, an R3010*, two
Andy>	8-channel NCR-SCSI Sripts processors, a Virtual-Cut-Through
Andy>	router, and a few 100Mb/sec FDDI controllers into a centrifuge
Andy>	and pour the resulting goo into a 12x12 PGA.

And - don't forget to disconnect the transputer boards: We won't slow
the system down.

Erik
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