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Started by David E. Bernholdt
Sat, 03 Oct 1992 00:15
desktop publishing vs. the old fashioned way
Author: David E. Bernholdt
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 00:15
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 00:15
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This may sound a little funny, but it is not meant as a rhetorical question... Most of the talk on this group is about SGML for desktop publishing, online retrieval/searching of documents, etc. -- the common theme being electronic. Do publishing houses (the kind that generate paper output :-) use SGML yet? Obviously they're going to use some kind of markup language when they put the document into production. Is it likely to be SGML? Will it ever be? Can you ask a publisher for their book/journal/whatever DTD in order to write your document using it? This is analagous to the recurring question on TeX newsgroups/mailing lists -- which publishers/journals/etc. will accept a TeX document? If the answer is that there _are_ publishers using SGML, then I wonder what their DTDs are like. Have they all adopted (say) the AAP stuff, or (like in the TeX world) does everyone have their own? Obviously it should be easier to standardize DTDs than TeX macro packages. You can stop laughing now, I'm done :-) -- David Bernholdt bernhold@qtp.ufl.edu Quantum Theory Project bernhold@ufpine.bitnet University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611 904/392 6365
Re: desktop publishing vs. the old fashioned way
Author: MICHAEL ROGERS
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 17:12
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 17:12
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In article <37239@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, bernhold@qtp.ufl.edu (David E. Bernholdt) writes... > >This may sound a little funny, but it is not meant as a rhetorical >question... > >Most of the talk on this group is about SGML for desktop publishing, >online retrieval/searching of documents, etc. -- the common theme >being electronic. > >Do publishing houses (the kind that generate paper output :-) use SGML >yet? Obviously they're going to use some kind of markup language when >they put the document into production. Is it likely to be SGML? Will >it ever be? Can you ask a publisher for their book/journal/whatever >DTD in order to write your document using it? > >This is analagous to the recurring question on TeX newsgroups/mailing >lists -- which publishers/journals/etc. will accept a TeX document? > >If the answer is that there _are_ publishers using SGML, then I wonder >what their DTDs are like. Have they all adopted (say) the AAP stuff, >or (like in the TeX world) does everyone have their own? Obviously it >should be easier to standardize DTDs than TeX macro packages. > >You can stop laughing now, I'm done :-) >-- >David Bernholdt bernhold@qtp.ufl.edu >Quantum Theory Project bernhold@ufpine.bitnet >University of Florida >Gainesville, FL 32611 904/392 6365 I know that ACS is using SGML to produce Chem. & Eng. News. A fellow named Richard Love has given presentations re: SGML at recent ACS meetings. Their objective is to use the DTD to convert the text of C&EN to an online-searchable version of the journal. R. Love seems to be a big proponent of SGML, and they are promoting it as a std. for submitted MS, so perhaps he might have some ideas about DTD's that he would share w/ you. Sorry, I don't have an address for Love, but believe he is in Wash. D.C. @ ACS.
Re: desktop publishing vs. the old fashioned way
Author: MASON J D
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 21:20
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 21:20
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Richard Love is at: American Chemical Society 1155 Sixteenth St., N.W. Washington, DC 20036 +1 202 872 4537 Jim Mason Oak Ridge National Laboratory masonjd@ornl.gov
Re: desktop publishing vs. the old fashioned way
Author: Stefek Zaba
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:36
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:36
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bernhold@qtp.ufl.edu (David E. Bernholdt) wrote: > Do publishing houses (the kind that generate paper output :-) use SGML > yet? Obviously they're going to use some kind of markup language when > they put the document into production. Is it likely to be SGML? Will > it ever be? Can you ask a publisher for their book/journal/whatever > DTD in order to write your document using it? A single exemplar: the Oxford University Press have used SGML extensively in the production of the New Oxford English Dictionary. Because the markup is indeed heavily structural, the fancy query interface which ships with the CD-ROM version (PeeCee and Mac) can do better than simple wordsearch: "18th century uses of 'think' as a noun" and the like. (Counter-example: non-technical academic books done by OUP do not use SGML. Hell, you expected consistency!?) Cheers, Stefek
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