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Magnus Y Alvestad wrote:
> 
> [Paul David Fox]
> 
> | Until then, Obj-C is as interesting as Python, Forth, etc, all
> | nice  'toy' languages for doing your own thing, but with
> | no commercial impact.
> 
> Obj-C and Forth have no commercial impact?

Yep.

> Obj-C is the basis for Apple's next OS, Rhapsody.  Forth is in
> thousands of calculators, thousands of Suns, thousands of expansion
> cards etc.  I could go on.

Just knew someone would bring that up! Obj-C may be the basis for
a future unreleased product I grant you. But how has Rhapsody changed
the world in the last 10 years? It hasnt. Maybe it will in the next
10, but I seriously doubt it. 

As for Forth, yes Forth is used in many 'closed systems' (you cannot 
reprogram calculators in this way, not normal ones), and the OpenBoot
PROM in a Sun is not exactly the language of choice for implementing
a new commercial product. (How many WPs do you know written in Forth?)

Forth is a great language and has been used well in the places you
mention, but I wouldnt consider it for my next major project.
 
> Python has little commercial impact, I'll give you that.
> 
> But who cares?  Working with what has 'commercial impact' gave us
> MS-DOS and Windows, Cobol and C++.  This is the direction you want to
> keep the business heading in?

No - but you miss the point. I'm not saying MS-DOS and Windoze are
good. They are total and utter crap closed systems. However, MS-Word,
Excel, Lotus, Corel, etc, etc are truly good apps - they have a 
desirable factor about them. I am proud to run MSVC and Word on
my system.

I am ashamed to run CDE on my system and hear people trying to
get to grips with Vi/Emacs/Textedit or whatever.

If you want to create a brilliant looking app that people want to
have on their system (e.g. netscape, Doom, etc) and you want to
write it in Obj-C or Eiffel or whatever, then feel free. I will
be glad for you.

But my point really is not to worry about the implementation -
just get the product to market and make the world a happier
place. I dont care if its written in <insert-fave-language-here>,
just make Unix a survivable O/S in the year 20xx.
 
> -Magnus

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