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In article <9cp0uu$orv$1@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu>,
 Dan Alt <dan@prozac.eeap.cwru.edu> wrote:

> David Zinkin <dzinkin2@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> : In article <9cmr7a$mv7$3@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu>,
> :  Dan Alt <dan@prozac.eeap.cwru.edu> wrote:
> :> 
> :> : Doesn't it just enrage you to know that I've been vindicated time and 
> :> : time again, Dan?
> :> 
> :> 	Now that you mention it, no.
> 
> : The question was rhetorical.  I didn't expect you to actually summon the 
> : courage to admit that I've been right all along.
> 
> Never mind right or wrong.  I meant that there's nothing you could do 
> or say that would enrage me.  This is CWRU.GEN, for Pete's sake.

Since you're into psychology, please look up "denial" when you have a 
chance.

> : You may not now... but you did when it mattered.  Shall I forward you a 
> : copy of the "CWRUgen Awards" and see if any of the names ring a bell?
> 
> You still have a copy of one of Jerry Jordak's set of awards?

As one of the first award winners, I felt it was my duty. :-)

> By all means, please repost them here.. those were funny, and I wish I
> had a copy.

On this, we agree... see the next few posts.

> :> I still wouldn't know who the hell you were if I saw you in public.  
> :> I have never interacted with you in any way other than on this 
> :> buletin board.
> 
> : That didn't keep you from slamming me for daring to criticize CWRU's 
> : faculty.
> 
> You say so, pal.  I'll believe it when you can produce the post.

Even if I could dig up one of your posts now, you still wouldn't believe 
it.  After all, you didn't believe my claims about CWRU's professors 
when I had the evidence back in '91-92, so why should things be 
different now?

> And even if I did say something you disagreed with, see previous 
> comment about cwru.gen.

We'll just have to disagree.  Aside from the professors who complained, 
I don't think Rolfe Petschek would have offered to help if he hadn't 
taken my comments seriously.

> : Cockroaches hate light -- especially when the cockroaches in question 
> : have tenure. :-)
> 
> Cwru.gen isn't light.  If some of your professors didn't realise
> how meaningless this board is.. that's their problem.

The fact that it got their attention proves that it isn't meaningless.  
Whether it prompted them to change their ways permanently is beside the 
point; until I posted, no one had dared to expose their tactics.  The 
more students know about what to expect from these professors, the more 
prepared they'll be to do well and the less likely they are to be 
intimidated by some arrogant blowhard with a God complex.

> : I do have to say, however, that I love how you go out of your way to 
> : avoid being taken seriously.  Perhaps it explains why you're having a 
> : recruitment problem; I can certainly see how students, after listening 
> : to a recruitment coordinator who doesn't take anything seriously, can 
> : reasonably conclude in turn that CWRU doesn't take music seriously.
> 
> 	Actually, most of the students I talk to do eventually decide
> to come here.  I think there's a big selection effect at work, however.
> By the time they spend the $$ to come to Cleveland, they're more likely
> to have made up their mind allready.
> 	Besides, what makes you think I go out of my way to be not
> taken seriously in real life?  (No unicycle jokes please)  This is 
> cwru.gen.  I can make whatever dumb jokes I like and it DOESN'T MATTER.

It may matter less now since significantly fewer people post here, but 
as I've explained, it certainly meant a lot back in my CWRU days.

> I'm a professional when it comes to my job.

I'll take your word for it. :-)

> : However, in this case I think you've also hit on another key point, if 
> : inadvertently.  The mob could learn a few things about intimidation and 
> : dishonesty from CWRU.
> 
> 	Now who's not trying to be taken seriously? :)

Case Western Reserve University.  (What do I win for giving the correct 
answer?)

> :> I meant that you can't change the institutional mindset.
> 
> : You can't if you don't try.  I have yet to see most of CWRU's students 
> : make a tangible attempt.
> 
> You can't if you do try.

One person can't; many people can.  Until more people like John Martin 
take action, we'll never know.

 -- DZ