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Paul Morgan wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:28:17 -0400, Mr Ed <Ed@w3source.net> wrote:
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> >Paul Morgan wrote:
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> >> On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:11:23 -0400, "Jacko" <jacko@jacko.com> wrote:
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> >> >
> >> >Paul Morgan <here@home.net> wrote in message
> >> >> I'm curious. By what means do you think we have the right to change
> >> >> government?
> >> >
> >> >its a fundamental stipulation of democracy that if the people are
> >> >dissatisfied with the current government that they can expel it and impose a
> >> >new type... remember, democracy's definition is government of the people by
> >> >the people for the people. Just everyone isnt aware of this and well most
> >> >people are scared to get off their butts and do anything about it. Remember,
> >> >most nations were born of despotisms, then moved to feudalisms, to
> >> >monarchys, to socialist states, some to dictatorships, with most all
> >> >eventually ending up in a democracy. Governments have changed like this
> >> >before, why do it have to stop evolving now?
> >> >
> >> >J
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> >>
> >> Good of you to jump in and answer for Ed.
> >
> >It's an open thread, anyone is free to jump in and offer their opinion. That's
> >what democracy is all about, isn't it Paul?
> >
>
> Usual manners are that when a question is directed at an individual,
> you wait for the reply.
>
> >> Anyway Ed, by what means do you think we have the right to change
> >> government? Do you propose violence or wait till next election?
> >
> >I certainly do not advocate violence. I advocate peaceful and legal change when
> >possible, and if that isn't practical, then I believe in the approach advocated
> >by  Mahatma Gandhi, which includes civil disobedience. Gandhi said "Civil
> >disobedience is the assertion of a right which law should give but which it
> >denies...  Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as cooperation with
> >good...  All through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have
> >been tyrants. . . and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they
> >always fall, always."
> >
> >Of course *if* a government responds with violence towards it's citizens, the
> >natural right of self-defence mandates that the citizens resist such violence by
> >any means at their disposal, IMHO.
> >
> >Does that answer your question Paul?
>
> But the citizen must give violence first as the governments action is
> a response.

Are you saying that a government would never initiate violence towards it's citizens?

> >
> >Mr. Ed
> >
> >"The FAMOUS Mr. Ed"

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