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E. Faubion wrote:

>grimrod@mindless.moc (Brandon Sommerville) wrote:
>
>>Why is it when we talk about interstate speeds you always bring up
>>children playing?
>
>Because if you had any and cared anything about them you'd know
>exactly what I'm talking about.  

I want safer roads.  Artificially low speed limits don't make roads
safer.  Claiming "speed kills" without having any scientific evidence
to back up the claim that higher speed limits will result in more
deaths is pure emotional argument that cannot be supported without
bringing in irrelevant examples like children playing in yards.

>I deal with traffic deaths on a
>frequent basis and the people who cause them often exhibit attitudes
>exactly like yours.

And exactly what is my attitude, oh prescient one?  Is it my attitude
of never tailgating that is the problem?

>>>Why don't you ask the good folks at NHTSA?  I have no idea.
>
>>I've tried, but there was no response.  I figured since you knew that
>>speed was so dangerous and since you support the NHTSA's position, you
>>could defend it.  Silly me.
>
>Yes, silly you.  

For asking you to defend something you claimed?  I know...

>>>In the meantime I'll restate a challenge I made a long time ago and
>>>that no one could take up.  Find a single bona fide accident
>>>investigator anywhere who believes driving faster is safer or that
>>>speed doesn't kill.  Until you can do that *and* provide the name of
>>>this person(s) your arguments are just so much hot air.  Go for it.
>>
>>An accident investigator really couldn't tell me what I need to know.
>
>An accident investigator won't tell you what you want to hear.  In
>other words you can't meet the challenge.  Game over.

An accident investigator can tell me what factors were involved in an
accident.  He cannot tell me what traffic on that road does day in and
day out.  He can tell me till he's blue in the face about how
dangerous high speeds are, yet less than 3% of total fatalities occur
on the fastest roads that have "speed related" as a factor, despite
the fact that the "speed related" figure is somewhat padded.

The FARS information is collected based on the reports of accident
investigators, right?  What is the difference between asking them
directly and looking at the information that they provide?
-- 
Brandon

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