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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:17:14 GMT, shape@my-dejanews.com 
<shape@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>In article <36C8FE87.3464@stuff.com>,
>  bryan <bryan@stuff.com> wrote:
>> shape@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <36C70B19.422@spamthis.com>,
>> >   bryan <bryan@spamthis.com> wrote:
>> > > shape@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> > > > They most certainly can!  My friend's 12 second Talon is his daily
>driver.
>> > > > It has a full interior.  There are a bunch of people with 11 second
>> > > > daily drivers as well.  Probably a couple of people that use their 10
>second
>> > > > cars as daily drivers.
>> > >
>> > >       Is 12 seconds really that great?  My little car does it in about 15
>> > > seconds with no modifications.  Sorry it just doesn't impress me.  I'm
>> > > used to seeing John Force and the other guys do it in 2 - 3 seconds.
>> >
>> > It takes over 400hp to do the quarter mile in 12-seconds.  That is
>> > double what a stock DSM comes with.
>>
>> 400hp?  I thought weight, transmission, etc played a major part...but
>> 400hp?
>
>Of course.  But for a normal weight DSM (3200lbs), it takes over 400hp.

My '63 Vette had about 400hp and weighed just a little more.  Biggest
problem doing 12.x's was it was so squirrely with those little (by modern
standards) tires.  But as a gross generality, you are correct.  Second
biggest problem was I kept breaking IRS frame mounts, but I did a great 
wheelie in the high school parking lot in front of the school narc.  Lost
my parking privileges for a month (spring, '74)!

>
>> > What is your car?  My car would do the 1/4mi in 15 seconds when it was
>> > stock.
>>
>> 98' sunfire gt.  nothing fancy.  its just my to/from work car.
>
>Your car is relatively light.  But not *that* light.  To do the 1/4mi
>in 15 seconds, you would need 163hp at the wheels (rough calculation).
>
>Your car has 150hp.  Probably 135hp at the wheels.  The car weighs
>2780lbs (including a 150lb person).  Best case rough approximation
>of the ET your car could get in the 1/4mi is 15.97s.
>
>Check out http://www2.dsm.org/tools/calchp.htm
>
>Believe me, a drive in a 12 second car or even a 13 second car
>feels like a rocket compared to a 15 second car.  You would need
>to double your hp to go 13s in the 1/4mi.
>
>> > Believe me, it isn't very easy to knock 3 seconds off your 1/4mi time.
>> > And to do it in a full-weight car is even less common.
>> >
>> > And yea, John Force may be fast.  But he is paid to be fast and uses
>> > a car who's engine is designed to be torn down after every race.  Go
>> > figure that he is 9 seconds faster than most of us.
>>
>>   i guess...but my friends blown 40' ford could do it pretty fast too I
>> bet...and it didn't cost him too much.
>
>Not sure what your point was here.  Anyway, a Viper is a 12.something
>second car.  So is a Lotus Elise.  They just do it in different ways.
>DSMs prefer to do it the turbocharged way, which turns out to be a
>pretty good way at making a small displacement engine output big hp :-)

So was my ZR1, although I was more careful with it.  Others have proven it.

>
>Josh Wingell
>'97 Eclipse GSX
>
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