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In article <slrn7c1vbc.bs.joel-garry@home.com>,
  joel-garry@nospam.home.com wrote:

> >Yeah, alot of people don't know that a 4cyl or 6cyl can handle much more
> >boost than say a pushrod V8....especially compared to what they are at stock.
> >And topspeed is more about aerodynamics. 134mph is really respectable as a
> >pre '93 Mustang can only do 138mph and an MR2 Turbo did about 141mph (225hp
> >vs 200hp) as shown in a Motor Trend top speed battle between these two cars.
>
> On the other hand, putting a blower on a pushrod Corvette C5 will make a car
> that already beats the four-bangers even faster.  And it already has better
> aerodynamics.

A 2G DSM has a Cd of .29...doesn't get too much better than that.

> Blowing pretty much any C4 or C5, and most Stingrays, will make
> a much faster car than any four banger (including Lotus and that weird looking
> thingie that used Chrysler turbos).  Blowers are readily available for
> $2000-5000, depending on how much work you want to do and how fast you want
> to go.

Gee!  Only $2000 to $5000!  What a bargain!  I can buy a new, larger turbo
for my car and pay $650 for it.  The install kit for the 2G's is $150
worth of parts that you can pick up quite easilly.  To bolt it onto a
1G, you need no kit whatsoever.  A 16G turbo will take you into the
low 12's.

> Some are about the size and shape of an alternator.

Then there is all that piping.  You can replace a turbo on a DSM in
an afternoon.

> It is still true that there is no substitute for displacement.  That's why
> people put 5.0 engines in Miatas.  Then they supercharge _that_.  Then they
> put on bigger tires because there's only so much power you can get to the
> ground anyways.  Then...  http://www.monstermotorsports.com

Yea, there is only so much power you can get to the ground...good thing
my car comes with all wheel drive.  Running 1.8 60-ft times on the
stock all season radials.

> >My midly modified Mustang was beaten by a 1st gen Talon. But I'm sure it was
> >nitrous as he made me look like i was standing still in 3rd gear.

Nitrous on a Talon isn't that common.  Why do it when you can just
turn up the boost?

> Don't worry, he won't be doing it for long if it is.  A couple of blown
> engines, it gets old real fast.  I was talking to a guy with a '64 Vette
> with Nitrous, he said the first time he pushed the red button with his
> newly built engine, it cost $6500.  That is, to build it again.

Sounds like he made a mistake.

> >The 2nd gen DSMs are slower though and the 1st gen DSMs can't take a 5.0L
> >stock for stock...but turning up the boost is another thing.
>
> Definitely a rich boys mistake.

Ahem, I believe it was you that said that turbos on a Vette only
cost $2000 - $5000.  So how is it a mistake to turn up the boost on a
DSM who's engine was designed to take the pressure when it isn't a
mistake to install turbos on an engine that was not designed to take
boost.

There are DSMs out there that are running 24 lbs of boost.

Oh, and who the hell is the rich boy...the person with a $24,000
car and a $650 turbo or someone with a $40,000 car and a $5000 turbo kit?

Logic?  Who needs that?

Yea, the vette will go faster.  But the Talon will run 12's all day
long and will probably still beat the Vette on the street where the
Talon has AWD traction and the Vette can't run slicks.

Yes, the Vette is a nice car, but I like having the modifyability
of a car that is turbocharged from the factory

> jg

Josh Wingell
'97 Eclipse GSX

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