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In nyc.general Daemon.S@emon.org wrote:
> On , Chris Mauritz <ritz@ritz.mordor.net> wrote:

>>In nyc.general TraceyLevin,, <tracey12@swbell.net> wrote:
>>> Charles Packer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> In article <36166af6.270677307@news.dgsys.com>, Jeff Kirk wrote:
>>>> >       Recently it has been reported that the Congress and Senate are
>>>> >currently reviewing a bill to increase the number of immigrant workers
>>>> >into the U.S. in an effort to lessen the burden on the computer
>>>> >industry, due to a lack of qualified professionals in that arena.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm a middle-aged computer programmer who changed jobs recently
>>>> after 14 years with my previous employer. I've observed that,
>>>> yes, employers want younger, cheaper talent. (But sometimes they
>>>> end up hiring two young programmers to do the job that one
>>>> experienced programmer could do.) But unionizing isn't the
>>>> answer. Unions are for industries where wages truly are low,
>>>> as in factories, or where the wages are high but the job is
>>>> highly regimented, as with airline pilots.
>>
>>>   I think the solution may be somewhat different.  
>>>   First, we who are computer literate should be in constant contact
>>>   with our elected officials.  We need to be well known around their 
>>>   office for being very nice, and very concerned about legislatoin.
>>
>>>   Next, when IBM, or any other company begins to hire imported, low wage
>>> programmers, etc., we need to make it known around the net that IBM is
>>> undermining Americans by hiring from outside the country when there are
>>> many here who can do the job.
>>>  
>>>   Maybe too it is time for some public protesting in front of the home
>>> offices of these companies.  The small savings they achieve by hiring
>>> foreigners could easily be offset by a large amount of negative press!
>>
>>>   We need to impress the public with this information, and explain how
>>> UNCONCERNED these companies are about showing support for American
>>> employes who can do the work they need to have done.
>>
>>>   But, if we sit on the sidelines and never protest about actions like
>>> these, the multinational, unpatriotic companies will always avoid
>>> showing any responsibility to American society from which most of these
>>> companies originated.
>>
>>Horseshit.
>>
>>You'll have a hard time finding someone more conservative than
>>myself and I'll tell you that it's practically impossible to find
>>qualified programmers and system admin folks these days.  Demand
>>simply outpaces local supply.  I've been trying to find experienced
>>programmers and admin folks for my office for months and have 
>>seen a veritable rogues gallery of unqualified people.  The good
>>folks are very well paid and very unavailable.  The few qualified
>>folks I've interviewed were all foreign nationals that required
>>our firm to sponsor them for a work visa.

> So, could it be that the *good folk* (whatever your interesting
> definition of that may be) do not want to work for the _generous_(!),
> conservatively formulated wages that you have to offer?

Um...we pay *very* well and it's still a crapshoot to find useful
technical folks.

> Can you imagine that superior *planning* and educational assistance
> (monetary and experience) among other nations might be the reason that
> foreign individuals can come to U.S. for this type of employment?  I
> have been there and seen the difference, which is both staggering and
> sickening, in comparison.

That is certainly true.

>>So while I'd like to hire a US citizen, I'm not going to wait
>>around for our educational system to catch up.  And it's not
>>like I'm in some farm town.  This is New York City.
>>
>>Chris

> Also, you may want to look around that scum hole that you label a city
> and do your best to determine why anyone might not want to live there.

Yup, NYC is a festering sack of excrement.  You'll get no argument
from me there.  Unfortunately, that's where the money is.

> You, sir, are just short of acquiring the definition of *traitor*!

Bite me.  You, sir, are just a few bricks short of a full load.

C
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