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On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:15:34 +0000 (UTC), soupdragon <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>ozarkheart@yahoo.com wrote in news:tnepc8dk8tparnhumq1m2lqvsjukorolku@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:09:59 +0000 (UTC), soupdragon <me@privacy.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>ozarkheart@yahoo.com wrote in news:5p1pc816j3douclp90fm358tg6npj6rvvi@
>>>4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:23:36 +0000 (UTC), soupdragon <me@privacy.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>Libertarian Lilly <LLil@nospam.com> wrote in
>>>>>news:9K2dnXdI-OjhuazNnZ2dnUVZ5gGdnZ2d@giganews.com: 
>>>>>
>>>>>> This couldn't have been done in one of the cowardly countries that
>>>>>> oppress the human rights to self defense and to keep and bear arms.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah. Those ghastly cowardly countries that don't allow loons
>>>> 
>>>> So you think citizens are "loons"?
>>>
>>>No. Just those obsessed with owning guns. 
>> 
>> Clarify: Ar eyou saying that anyone who wants to own a gun is a loon?
>
>No, I didn't say that either. You do like your strawmen. I said those
>_obsessed_ with owning guns.

OK: So when is one defined, by you, as "obsessed"?

And how will you differentiate between those "obsessed" and those who
are not "obsessed"?


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>>>
>>>Also I'd like to know which country denies you the right to defend
>>>yourself. Is this one of those mythical construct gun loons are 
>>>so fond of?
>> 
>> I haven't mentioned in this thread anything about "defending" one's
>> self.
>
>Read the first two lines of the OP.

I am not the OP. I haven't mentioned anything about "defending" ones
self. But, if one does not allow the good citizen the right to arm
themselves then one is, in fact, denying them one of the most
efficient means of self defense.


>
>> However, the subject is guns.
>
>The OP couched it in terms of 'human rights' and 'self defence'. He 
>didn't even mention guns.

We can certainly discuss the human right to self defense - but it will
include guns.


>
>> And there are countries where the
>> government will deny a person to buy a gun for the express intent of
>> self defense.
>
>I know that. There are countries that also deny a person the right to
>buy missiles and heavy calibre machine guns for 'the express intent of 
>self defence'. So what?

Are you lumping heavy machine guns and missiles into this? That is a
pretty far stretch for anyone who wants to have an honest discussion.

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>>>>> access to 
>>>>>guns and have a much lower violent crime rate as a result.
>>>> 
>>>> Some do - some don't
>>>
>>>Most do
>> 
>> Present your data.

Waiting for your data


>> 
>> 
>>> - a rare few don't and those are basket cases for
>>>other reasons anyway..
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