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"LarryLook" <Larry@noemail.com> wrote in message 
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> "Dutch" <not@home.com> wrote in message 
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>> "LarryLook" <Larry@noemail.com> wrote in message 
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>>>> Not eating meat is not synonymous with not causing harm to animals. 
>>>> This is
>>>> the fundamental misconception of veganism.
>>>
>>> 5.7 million pound of beef recalled here:
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19145012/
>>
>> Huh? What does recalled beef have to do with anything?
>
> All the deaths of the cows, and the collateral deaths (associated with 
> what the cows where fed) are attributable to meat eaters, no vegetarians. 
> There will always be meat recalls.  Those lives count.  If 10,000 cows are 
> killed and their meat isn't used (and theres CD's too) then those deaths 
> get chalked up to meat eaters, because they put forth the demand for that 
> meat.

But I'm not concerned about the animals killed to serve my needs, animals 
killed only counts against vegans who claim to believe that it's immoral to 
kill animals.


>>> If you add up all the collateral deaths (what are cows fed to fatten 
>>> them up before slaughter?) associated with this meat the numbers of 
>>> deaths are staggering.
>>
>> So now that you place collateral deaths on YOUR side of the argument the 
>> numbers are suddenly staggering? You can't have it both ways Larry.
>
> But cows eat so much!  Don't you know there's a pyrimid associated with 
> the chain of what animal eats what.  You feed a 1000 lbs of soy to animals 
> and you don't get 1000 lbs more of meat.  This pyramid is what makes there 
> so many CD's associated with the feed used for cattle.

I don't like soy products much, besides they cause early onset Alzheimer's 
and man-boobs. You eat soy, I'll stick to free-range chicken.


>>> But these deaths associated with the factory farmed meat industry are 
>>> virtually ignored here,
>>
>> No they're not. There are collateral deaths associated with all crops, 
>> including animal feed.
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>>> while the deaths associated with my carrots are fantastically 
>>> exaggerated. This is pure obfuscation!
>>
>> You mean the numbers are not staggering anymore?
>>
>>> And the newbie vegetarian comes here, who is doing a lot of good in 
>>> comparison with his prior diet, and gets pounced on by this "logic" - to 
>>> make him feel somehow guilty.
>>
>> Why would he feel guilty Larry, unless he's doing something wrong?
>
> He's not, but you guys try to make him feel that way with your contorted 
> logic.

His guilt is warranted if he indeed believes that it's wrong to kill animals 
to obtain food. We're simply reflecting his own attempts to project guilt 
back at him.

>>> He can't be proud of his diet since Rick and Dutch won't let him be. 
>>> He's been labeled sanctimonious without ever getting to know him.  How 
>>> outrageous!
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>> Sanctimony is easy to spot Larrry.

You like the idea of a scaled valuation of animals larry? So do I. Read 
this. http://folk.uio.no/jonw/moralstat99.doc