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In article <34BA6B0E.15275E70@bigfoot.com>,
Lawrence <flowerpots@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> It's not a problem but...
> 
> when I boot up in the morning, (or at any other time), as my extensions load
> they stack up along the bottom row; (OK so far), then they start stacking on
> the second row,  when they get to my Global Village extensions (X2) they
> pause, then the next extensions appear over the top of them blotting them out.

It's purely cosmetic. The icon display code isn't part of the system
software, each extension includes it's own copy. Some include older
versions which can't cope with things like two rows of icons or misbehave
in other peculiar ways.

Now Utilities Startup manager includes some code to regulate them, and I
believe there are some freeware extensions that will tidy up your rows of
extensions for you too.

Paul Durrant

Lawrence <flowerpots@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> It's not a problem but...
> 
> when I boot up in the morning, (or at any other time), as my extensions load
> they stack up along the bottom row; (OK so far), then they start stacking on
> the second row,  when they get to my Global Village extensions (X2) they
> pause, then the next extensions appear over the top of them blotting them out.
> 
> I've tried changing the alphabetical order of these two without effect.
> 
> nothing else seems to be wrong.. and  I regularly rebuild, FirstAid and
> disinfect.
> 
> Any guesses.

It's a cosmetic problem caused by Global Village's inability to write
code properly.

If you don't need the faxing stuff, I'd suggest disabling anything with
Global Village's mark of incompetence on it.  I have had some *very* bad
experiences with GV software - up to and including major HDD damage and
re-installing the OS.  (Perf 475, System 7.1, 7.6, and 7.6.1 - problems
caused when making a TCP/IP connection using PPP (MacPPP, FreePPP,
OT/PPP, MacTCP, and OT).

Rowland.

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I use IconWrap II which does a fairly good job of keeping the march of
icons in good order. Not perfect but...

Regards

Hugh Browton

Paul Durrant <pdurrant@durrant.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Lawrence <flowerpots@bigfoot.com> wrote: 
> >It's not a problem but...
> >when I boot up in the morning, (or at any other time), as my extensions
> >load they stack up along the bottom row; (OK so far), then they start
> >stacking on the second row,  when they get to my Global Village
> >extensions (X2) they pause, then the next extensions appear over the top
> >of them blotting them out.
> 
> It's purely cosmetic. The icon display code isn't part of the system
> software, each extension includes it's own copy. Some include older
> versions which can't cope with things like two rows of icons or misbehave
> in other peculiar ways.

AIUI a lot of extensions used something like: "Paul Mercer's ShowInit"
PD code rather than the writer's own?

ISTR that wraps the icons properly.

rgds, Alan

Paul Durrant wrote:
> 
> In article <34BA6B0E.15275E70@bigfoot.com>,
> Lawrence <flowerpots@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> 
> > It's not a problem but...
> >
> > when I boot up in the morning, (or at any other time), as my extensions load
> > they stack up along the bottom row; (OK so far), then they start stacking on
> > the second row,  when they get to my Global Village extensions (X2) they
> > pause, then the next extensions appear over the top of them blotting them out.
> 
> It's purely cosmetic. The icon display code isn't part of the system
> software, each extension includes it's own copy. Some include older
> versions which can't cope with things like two rows of icons or misbehave
> in other peculiar ways.
> 
> Now Utilities Startup manager includes some code to regulate them, and I
> believe there are some freeware extensions that will tidy up your rows of
> extensions for you too.
> 
Thanks, do you have a name for it and a site?

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Rebecca and Rowland wrote:
> 
> Lawrence <flowerpots@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> 
> > It's not a problem but...
> >
> > when I boot up in the morning, (or at any other time), as my extensions load
> > they stack up along the bottom row; (OK so far), then they start stacking on
> > the second row,  when they get to my Global Village extensions (X2) they
> > pause, then the next extensions appear over the top of them blotting them out.
> >
> > I've tried changing the alphabetical order of these two without effect.
> >
> > nothing else seems to be wrong.. and  I regularly rebuild, FirstAid and
> > disinfect.
> >
> > Any guesses.
> 
> It's a cosmetic problem caused by Global Village's inability to write
> code properly.
> 
> If you don't need the faxing stuff, I'd suggest disabling anything with
> Global Village's mark of incompetence on it.  I have had some *very* bad
> experiences with GV software - up to and including major HDD damage and
> re-installing the OS.  (Perf 475, System 7.1, 7.6, and 7.6.1 - problems
> caused when making a TCP/IP connection using PPP (MacPPP, FreePPP,
> OT/PPP, MacTCP, and OT).
> 
Strong stuff!!    Warning heeded, however I've been using GV software since
Nov 95 on a Performa 5200 & 475 with GV Platinum 33.6 for everything without
any faults, (that I could attribute).  

I was also very impressed when I downloaded a firmware update from 28.8 to
36.6 for free from their website!


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In article <19980113140647637778@newtechd.demon.co.uk>,
alan.frame@acm.org (Alan W. Frame) wrote:

> Paul Durrant <pdurrant@durrant.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > It's purely cosmetic. The icon display code isn't part of the system
> > software, each extension includes it's own copy.
> 
> AIUI a lot of extensions used something like: "Paul Mercer's ShowInit"
> PD code rather than the writer's own?
> 
> ISTR that wraps the icons properly.

You're mostly right. I suspect everyone uses the ShowInit code.
Unfortunately, not everyone uses a recent version. The earlier ones didn't
wrap icons.

Paul

Lawrence <flowerpots@bigfoot.com> wrote:

[snip]

> Strong stuff!!    Warning heeded, however I've been using GV software since
> Nov 95 on a Performa 5200 & 475 with GV Platinum 33.6 for everything without
> any faults, (that I could attribute).  

All well and good - glad to know that it works for *someone*.  But to be
precise about the problems I had: it was the *faxing* software that
screwed things up very badly.  Just leaving the Teleport control panel
in place increased the number of random hangs I suffered (using System
B-7.1P5, System Update 3.0, MacTCP 2.0.6, and MacPPP or FreePPP).  When
I upgraded to System B1-7.6, I foolishly followed the advice of a GV
techie and tried the faxing software again.  Even more foolishly, I (on
the advice of the same bloke) tried yet again when I'd upgraded to
B1-7.6.1.  I ended up with my boot partition damaged beyond repair as
far as Disk First Aid and Norton Disk Doctor were concerned, so I had to
re-initialise it and re-install everything from scratch.  Since removing
the GV software, my Performa 475 has returned to its normal stability,
and I've not had any major HDD damage since.

A `feature' of the GV faxing software is that it polls the modem every
few seconds even when you have the software set to ignore incoming
calls.  This is a right pain in the arse on a Performa 475 if you're
doing anything processor intensive (like playing Marathon, for example).

> I was also very impressed when I downloaded a firmware update from 28.8 to
> 36.6 for free from their website!

Hmm...  I'd look at it a different way: it'd be unimpressive if they
didn't supply that kind of thing for free like every other
modem/printer/hard disc driver/etc., maker.

Ever tried getting a real person at GV to reply to an email query?  In
my experience, this takes a lot of trying.

Rowland.

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In article <1d2tqxq.1ijddwnmvv0e8N@p11.nas2.is3.u-net.net>,
real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar (Rebecca and wrote:

>All well and good - glad to know that it works for *someone*.  But to be
>precise about the problems I had: it was the *faxing* software that
>screwed things up very badly.

For what it's worth, I had to fix the set-up on a friend's Powerbook 1400,
with 7.6.1. with a GV Powerport card. OT/PPP would always show that "the
port may be in use by another program". In the end the only thing that
fixed it was to go through the extensions and remove anything remotely to
do with Faxing. I just left the necessary minimum of GV and Apple modem
extensions. It seems to work.

The modem control panel is still in there and functioning. It's just the
Fax extensions that seemed to be messing things up.

Sorry, without actually pigging away in the Powerbook I don't have the
details; I think that my subconscious is trying to protect me from
recurring horror by repressing the memories. 

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Peter